Over the past week, I've had the honor to engage another writer here at The Bleacher Report in an interesting debate: who is the best fighter in the world right now? It's my belief that Anderson Silva holds that crown at the moment, the result of a breathtaking series of dominating performances. My debate partner contends that Fedor Emelianenko is still the best fighter on the planet and that my contention that he hasn't faced enough top competition should actually serve as a bonus in his favor, since certain fighters have avoided him.
This debate went on for several days, with neither of us convincing the other, but it brought to light an interesting question: what would happen if Anderson Silva and Fedor Emelianenko fought each other?
One of the beautiful things about being a mixed martial arts (or any other combat sport, really) fan is the ability to play the "what if" game. What would happen if we matched a legend from the past against one of the new generation of fighters? What would happen if Anderson Silva faced Fedor Emelianenko?
The beauty of these debates is that there's rarely a right or wrong answer. You might consider BJ Penn to be the best fighter in the world, and you think he'd destroy any lightweight or welterweight you matched him up against. Another fan might consider Takanori Gomi to be the best lightweight in the world.
These are valid arguments with no real correct answer, but that's what makes the discussion so much fun.
While thinking about these fantasy matchups, I started thinking about potential UFC fights, match-ups between superstars that would be highly anticipated by most of the UFC audience. I came up with a list of ten potential fights or rematches, and I've whittled that list down to the five you'll find below.
When trimming my list to these five bouts, I tried to factor in several criteria: the popularity of the fighters involved, the skill of the fighters involved, and the ability each of them have to sell a pay per view main event either alone or with another fighter of equal or slightly lesser popularity.
I believe all five of these fights would amass gigantic numbers on pay per view and, if promoted correctly, could bring millions of new fans into the fold. These are fights that Zuffa has the ability to make, meaning every fighter on the list is under a Zuffa contract.
ANDERSON SILVA VS. CHUCK LIDDELL
Regardless of his losing record over the past 16 months, it's a fact that Chuck Liddell is still one of the biggest pay per view draws in the UFC today. MMA is an interesting sport in that being a huge star and a mainstream draw can cause fans to overlook your failings.
Losing fights doesn't matter if you're a star, because people will overlook those losses, but only to a certain extent. If Liddell continues to get knocked out, there will come a time where his drawing power is hurt, but it would take a few more dramatic losses to turn Liddell into anything other than a money-making machine.
This fight would be an absolute monster. The Couture/Lesnar fight will get more PPV buys, but a Silva/Liddell fight at 205 would do 800,000 buys at minimum. It's a classic battle between two of the most feared strikers in the history of the UFC.
Knowing the styles of both of these fighters as well as I do, I'm certain that it would end up being a striking war akin to the Liddell fight against Wanderlei Silva in December of 2007, except for the fact that Anderson Silva is far more accurate with strikes than both Wanderlei or Liddell (or anyone else in the UFC, for that matter).
The Spider won't sit in the pocket and trade punches with Liddell like Wanderlei did. Both Liddell and Silva like to use the opening moments of a fight to measure distances and angles with their opponents, but after the first minute I think there would be a flurry of great strikes from both fighters, and they probably wouldn't stop until someone hits the mat.
A win over Chuck Liddell, especially by TKO or KO, would elevate Anderson Silva into that upper echelon of PPV draws. He's already a star, but he has yet to prove he can sell a PPV by himself. A victory over Liddell would go a long way towards doing just that, regardless of Liddell's recent record.
Likewise, a win over Silva would likely give Liddell enough credibility with mainstream fans that he could be given an immediate title shot. Knocking out the best fighter in the world will make fans quickly forget his dramatic knockout loss to Rashad Evans.
BROCK LESNAR VS. FRANK MIR
This one is highly speculative, because in order for this fight to truly sell, both Lesnar and Mir would have to emerge victorious in their respective fights with Randy Couture and Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira. The odds of that happening are low, but we're mostly dealing in fantasy here anyway. This is the only rematch on the list, but it's definitely one of those rare cases where the sequel would be bigger and better than the original.
Lesnar putting his UFC Heavyweight Championship on the line against the man who handed him his only defeat in the octagon would do monster business, especially of Mir can beat Nogueira for the interim belt and make this fight a title unification bout.
There would be many intriguing stories surrounding Lesnar/Mir 2. Has Lesnar learned from the rookie mistakes he made in that first fight, and will he finish Frank Mir in the manner he came so close to doing in the first meeting? Has he learned enough submission defense in the time since the first meeting to avoid submission attempts from one of the best jiu-jitsu players in the heavyweight division?
Can Mir catch the monster in another submission hold? Better yet, can he avoid the Lesnar strikes and take downs that put him on the mat in the first fight? Will he be able to somehow do what no other Lesnar opponent has been able to do and avoid being controlled by the Minnesota native's wrestling skill and power?
There are so many ways to sell this fight, so many angles to choose from, and all of them would be received very well by UFC fans. Even if Lesnar and Mir both lose their respective title fights in November and December, there's still some appeal to putting this fight together towards the middle or end of 2009.
FORREST GRIFFIN VS. WANDERLEI SILVA
Wanderlei Silva's vicious "hold the throat with one hand while pummeling with the other" knockout of Keith Jardine cemented the former PRIDE legend as a superstar in the UFC. Even while losing to Chuck Liddell in December 2007, Silva gained fame as one of the only fighters since the UFC's rise to mainstream popularity to stand in the pocket and trade punches with Liddell. If Silva beats Quinton "Rampage" Jackson for the third time in as many fights, he becomes an instant title contender for the light heavyweight crown held by Forrest Griffin.
Forrest Griffin is a highly unique fighter. His legendary war for the Ultimate Fighter 1 crown with Stephan Bonnar is credited as being the most important fight in UFC history, the moment that elevated the status of the UFC from subcultural sideshow into the booming darling of pop culture it remains today. Griffin emerged as the victor and claimed his UFC contract as prize. Dana White and Lorenzo Fertitta, sensing a landmark moment, decided to award Stephan Bonnar a UFC contract as well. Griffin, with his affable and humble personality and everyman appeal, has turned into one of the UFC's biggest stars.
With a win in late 2007 over Mauricio "Shogun" Rua, the man considered to be the best light heavyweight in the world, Griffin leaped over top contenders and secured a title fight with Rampage Jackson. Griffin took the light heavyweight belt after a close fight with Jackson and, for the first time in his unlikely career as a fighter, sat alone atop the light heavyweight division.
Despite the differences in their respective backgrounds, Griffin and Silva have very similar styles. Both fighters have made a habit of standing in the pocket and trading blows with little regard to their own safety, and they share an ability to take a high level of punishment.
Styles do make fights, and that motto has never been more true than when applied to Griffin vs. Silva. This would be a wild, exciting fight between two fighters who love to punch and have little concern for their own well-being.
ANDERSON SILVA VS. GEORGES ST. PIERRE
Silva and welterweight phenom Georges St. Pierre are, by most accounts, the two best fighters in the UFC regardless of weight class. Silva has completely dominated the middleweight division and is on the road to dominance over the light heavyweight division as well.
Outside of one fluke punch from Matt Serra, St. Pierre has issued one commanding performance after another against top-level welterweights and hasn't even been challenged since the loss to Serra more than a year ago.
This is the very definition of a superfight; two fighters who have the skills to make other great fighters look like amateurs locking horns with one another to see who the better fighter is.
Neither fighter is a huge pay per view draw by himself. Silva has been making steady progress towards that top tier of earners in the UFC, and St. Pierre brings in huge viewer numbers in Canada, but neither man can claim to have the kind of drawing power on their own that a Chuck Liddell, Randy Couture or Brock Lesnar can.
This fight wouldn't be sold on one name. It wouldn't even be sold on two names. The easiest way to market this fight is to present it for what it is: two of the best fighters in the world, meeting at a catch weight in the middle of their respective divisions to find out who can stake a claim to being the best mixed martial artist in the UFC.
It isn't about titles or rankings or divisions; it's simply about being the best.
If you took that story and built it up with a two to three week hype show series on Spike, the buzz for the fight would be enormous. This is one of the few fights that Zuffa has available that could, with the proper buildup, headline a stadium show in the United States, and it's not out of the question to expect pay per view buy numbers to soar past the one million mark.
URIJAH FABER VS. B.J. PENN
With the lack of intriguing challengers for B.J. Penn's lightweight championship, it only makes sense to look outside the division for a fresh match-up. Penn will have one such challenge on his docket when he moves up to challenge Georges St. Pierre for the welterweight title in January.
Should Penn fail in his quest to hold two championships at the same time, he will move back to the lightweight division to take on a steady stream of opponents who could very likely present no challenge whatsoever for the reigning title holder.
Kenny Florian deserves a shot at the belt, but despite his outstanding skillset, I firmly believe he'd be overwhelmed much like Sean Sherk was in the Penn/Sherk fight. There are plenty of great fighters in the lightweight division, but Penn is truly in a league of his own.
In order to get a unique challenge for Penn, I would look to the WEC and the 145lb title holder, Urijah Faber.
Faber is also considered to be one of the best fighters in the world, and he's incredibly popular. Faber has outgrown his home in the WEC and has no real challengers to his championship left in the company, which is why he should vacate the belt and move up to the UFC lightweight division.
The division has two ready-made PPV fights for Faber: Tyson Griffin, the only man to ever defeat Faber, and reigning champion Penn. While both of the fights would draw well, the one booked first should be the Penn fight.
Faber's credentials are akin to others who have received title shots in their first fight after moving to a division such as Dan Henderson, Randy Couture and even B.J. Penn, who challenges for Georges St. Pierre's title in January despite not fighting at welterweight in several years.
He doesn't have to move to the division and work his way up the ladder to earn a title shot; he's earned it by being one of the best fighters in the world.
One of the hardest lessons Dana White and Joe Silva had to learn over the past two years is that when you have a big fight, you book it immediately. If you try to make the fight bigger by having one or both potential opponents fight lesser names, you run the risk of the lesser name beating the big name, thereby ruining your big main event and leading to a fight nobody wants to see.
Gabriel Gonzaga's KO of Mirko Cro Cop is a shining example of how the best laid plans often work out in a manner you hadn't intended. Cro Cop was being built up for an August 2007 heavyweight title fight with champion Randy Couture, but Gonzaga threw a wrench into those plans with a perfect high kick and ended up getting the title shot in a far less appealing fight to mainstream fans than Cro Cop/Couture would have been.
It's apparent that they've learned this lesson, however, and the Brock Lesnar/Randy Couture fight at UFC 91 is a perfect example. While Brock Lesnar definitely doesn't deserve a title shot (at least by traditional sporting rules) at this point in his career, it would be very risky to give Lesnar more fights to pad his record.
There's a good chance that Lesnar would run through Cheick Kongo, Jake O'Brien or any other lower-tier heavyweight they'd match him up against, but there's also a good chance one of them can get a lucky punch or catch Lesnar in a submission. He's only 1-1 in the UFC, but he's already one of the top two PPV draws in the company.
The name of the game is making a profit by putting together the biggest fights you have available, and Lesnar vs. Couture is the absolute biggest fight the company can realistically make in 2008.
Joe Silva and Dana White decided not to worry about getting Lesnar more wins under his belt and simply booked the fight. That decision will surely continue to anger hardcore fans, but the UFC's massive mainstream audience is already salivating over the Lesnar/Couture fight, and it's going to draw the largest PPV audience in UFC history.
Just like Lesnar, Faber doesn't need to get a win in the UFC to build up his name; he's already popular, and you always have the ability to push him to the mainstream on a bigger level via the All Access shows and The Ultimate Fighter.
UFC fans are generally aware of WEC, because Zuffa has pushed the bigger WEC cards (Faber/Pulver) on UFC programming since buying the company. Zuffa does a fantastic job in producing the All Access specials. They convert a very high percentage of the audience that watches those All Access specials into pay per view buyers, and that's the number one metric to observe when trying to determine if the hype shows are a success. A hype show on Urijah Faber would be no different.
In the end, the fans would be treated to a breathtaking fight between two of the best on the planet. Both fighters are well rounded and skilled in every aspect of the game. It would be fast, it would be furious, and it would also be one of the best fights of all time.
CONCLUSION
I've highlighted five big fights that Zuffa has the ability to make. What are your biggest potential fights? Leave your thoughts and comments for discussion.
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about 1 month ago
I don't think Penn/Faber would be one of the best fights of all time. I don't even think it would be that exciting, really. Faber is a great fighter, but as a lightweight, I'd rank him lower than Sherk, Griffin, Florian, Stevenson, etc. All those guys would beat him. Faber couldn't even finish Jens Pulver in 5 rounds. I think BJ would spank his a$$.
from about 1 month ago
I think Penn?Faber would be a very good fight. I personally would not rank Urijah lower than Kenflo as I think Urijah could ultimatley beat him. I dont think Urijah would beat Penn however. Penns submissions are too good for Urijah. In a 5 round fight though, I might give Urijah a slight advantage because Penn has nowhere near the cardio of Faber, who would push the action all the way to the bell. I usually don't like fights that push a guy up an entire weight class, but I would make an exception for this one. Urijah has nobody else to beat as a featherweight. His biggest competition was supposed to be Jens Pulver but now that he's given Jens his first loss as a featherweight, theres no reason for Urijah not to think about gaining 10 pounds and making even more money with the UFC
from about 1 month ago
I certainly respect your comment Flyin Hawaiian, but I respectfully disagree. BJ vs Faber would be an epic match....and would certainly draw. I think Faber first needs his rematch with Griffin though...win or loss to Sherk...but I respect your comment. Faber wouldn't stand out as much in this heavy division.
from about 1 month ago
Even if Faber didn't stand a chance against Penn (and I think Faber would at least make it interesting), it still makes no sense to keep him in the WEC and in a weight class where he's far ahead in terms of skills than even his closest challenger. By moving him up a class and into the UFC, you're able to create a bunch of fresh fights and perhaps develop some challengers.
The lightweight championship scene is going to be very stale by midway through 2009 if they don't create some new superstars who can actually challenge Penn. If Faber beats Penn, then you have all sorts of new challengers for Faber to fight. If Penn beats Faber, you still have the no-brainer fight with Faber seeking revenge on Tyson Griffin for the only loss of his career. You'd also have plenty of fresh fights with the other top division contenders, and I'd also be willing to bet that Faber vs. Roger Huerta would do very well on the undercard of another event or as the main event on a Fight Night card.
from about 1 month ago
Lest we forget, Pulver owns a win over B.J. Penn. It may be have been a while back, but they are 1-1. Just because Pulver went the distance with Faber (Pulver recently coming down a weight class) doesn't mean Uriah didn't beat him in every single round of that fight. Pulver has a chin on him, there's no arguing that.
from about 1 month ago
Pulver was also less than one second away from being finished in that fight. Both Penn and Pulver are much different fighters now than they were back then. I'd say Faber could beat the BJ Penn of 2002, or at the very least, go the distance. But this is 2008, and I believe Penn would finish Faber in 2 or 3 rounds. Keep in mind, Faber is like 5'6" and he's a lot smaller than BJ. I hope this fight happens.
from about 1 month ago
I agree - I dont' think Faber/Penn would be that great a match. Faber would have a very hard time taking BJ to the ground.
about 1 month ago
I am glad to see you are back with another article. Your writing and analysis is top notch, regardless of of whether someone agrees with it or not.
In regards to the Brock/Mir 2 I was intrigued that you pick that one. There are obviously four possible outcomes with this mini-tournament.
Couture vs. Mir
Couture vs. Nog
Lesnar vs. Mir
Lesnar vs. Nog
I think Couture vs. Mir would be the least marketable. I am very intrigued by a Couture vs. Nog fight. Let Couture fight the man who lost to Fedor twice. If he can beat Nog and be the undisputed UFC champ the cries for a fight with Fedor will be at an all time high. A Lesnar vs. Nog fight could also be intriguing, perhaps less marketable then Lesnar/Mir.
In the end I think the Couture/Nog fight would be the most marketable. It would help clear the way to Couture/Fedor. While is the complete opposite of the fight you picked your arguments were spot on and convincing.
In Regards to Forrest vs Wanderlei I do think that fight would be more marketable and exciting fight then Forrest/Rampage 2. Although you cant go wrong with either one.
Keep up the great work.
from about 1 month ago
There is no doubt that Couture vs. Nogueira is an intriguing fight. No doubt whatsoever. I think Couture disrespected Nog in a big way by claiming last year that a fight against Nog wasn't interesting enough to keep him in the UFC. It would be a battle of two legendary fighters, both with a ton of heart and both with a tendency to overcome the odds.
There is a tangible difference, however, between an intriguing fight and one that will draw massive amounts of PPV buyers. Randy Couture vs. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira would do very well on pay per view and there's no question it would be a much better fight, but it would pale in comparison to the kind of business a Lesnar/Mir rematch would do, especially if Lesnar beats Couture, Mir beats Nog and both guys come into the fight with belts.
Brock Lesnar is already a star and a PPV draw, and I think this season of The Ultimate Fighter will turn Frank Mir into a star and a PPV draw as well. If he comes out of the show with a victory over Nogueira, he'll be ready to anchor his half of a PPV main event rematch with Lesnar. In the first fight, it was a seemingly washed up former champion taking on a hyped newcomer. In this rematch, it would be the UFC Heavyweight Champion taking on the Interim Heavyweight Champion and the man who caught him in a rookie mistake in his UFC debut. It'll make a ton of money.
All that being said, I would much rather see Couture vs. Nogueira. :-)
about 1 month ago
Personally, I would put Faber higher than Sherk, Griffin and Stevenson. Kenny Florian is a different story altogether, as he's really become a complete and well rounded fighter. Out of all the UFC lightweights, I'd put him behind Penn...but it would be significantly behind Penn.
Not all of the five fights I listed would be classics, at least when it comes to the actual fight. These are simply the "biggest" fights I think they have available, the ones that will draw the most PPV buys and make the most money. Personally, I'd rather see Penn defending against Faber than anyone else in the division outside of Florian. But that's just me.
about 1 month ago
Damn you Jeremy! Your logic can always make me 2nd guess myself. Convincing points. And I agree with your final statement: Couture vs Nog.
from about 1 month ago
So many people don't take the realities of the business into account when writing about the UFC. I have to remind myself that I'm what would be considered a hardcore MMA fan, and I am not the UFC's target demographic.
The main demographic UFC reaches are the people who likely started watching the UFC either during or shortly after the first season of Ultimate Fighter. They've probably never seen a PRIDE show, and most of them have never heard of a fighter unless he's been in the UFC.
The kinds of fans in this demographic are the people who have lifted the UFC to the level of popularity it currently enjoys and turned them from a company 60 million in the red to a highly profitable pop culture phenom, so it only makes sense that they are the fans Joe Silva or Dana White have in mind when booking fights. I try to keep the average fan and that demographic in mind when I'm writing, mostly because they are the only people that are considered when the UFC makes decisions.
Thanks for the compliment and thanks for reading yet again!
about 1 month ago
Great article. I just found this site and love it.
I'd really like to see a Penn/Faber fight. I've been talking about that for awhile.
I also thought it was disrespectful of Randy to say it wasn't enough to keep him in the UFC to fight Nog, but, I understand where he was coming from too. He has only a few fights left in him and he wants to be considered the greatest heavyweight of this era. If he fought Nog and won people would still say, "yeah but Fedor already beat him twice" so it proves nothing as far as Randy being better than Fedor.
At this point the only way for him to be considered better than Fedor is to beat Fedor. That's his goal.
I'd really like to see Barnett/Fedor but neither is a Zuffa fighter... What about Matt Linland/Anderson silva?? I know Matt's not known to casual UFC fans but he's still one of the top middle weights and he was doing pretty damn well against Fedor until Fedor grabbed the ropes and surprised Linland pulling off the armbar (I still hate how the refs handled that). I mean, we're talking Fedor and two weight classes!!
Lastly I think a fourth Randy/Chuck fight would do really well and I think Randy will take him this time. He just seems to have evolved so much where as chuck just does the same shit every time. It's to the point where everyone knows what he'll do. I was telling people a couple years ago that this would happen if chuck didn't start changing it up.
from about 1 month ago
I understand what you're saying about Randy not wanting to fight Nogueira, but I respectfully disagree. In my mind, Randy is a great heavyweight who will go down as one of the legends of the sport.
But he's not better than Nogueira, and he's never been better than Nogueira.
I consider Minotauro to be the 2nd greatest heavyweight of all time, behind only Fedor Emelianenko. And just as there is a wide gap between Nogueira and Emelianenko, there is also a wide gap between Nogueira and the rest of the pack. Fighting Nogueira and winning would have not only been a natural progression at the time, but it would have cemented Randy's place in history as one of the greats of the division. Even if he never had the chance to fight Fedor, he would have beaten the 2nd greatest heavyweight of all time, and that means something.
Now, though, he has to fight a man who will outweigh him by 65 pounds when fight night comes, a man who is much stronger, faster and likely has better conditioning. Beating Brock Lesnar means nothing compared to a win over Nogueira. He's a rookie, and he's expected to lose. He's out of his element and doesn't have the experience yet to beat a legend like Couture.
Right?
But the truth is, there's a very good chance that Randy Couture can lose to Brock Lesnar in November. And unless Frank Mir somehow pulls off the upset against Nogueira, we'll be seeing Lesnar vs. Nogueira to unify the heavyweight title Couture broke apart by leaving the company, and Captain America could be left on the sidelines. And it's all because Randy didn't think Nogueira was an "interesting" fight for him.
about 1 month ago
Have to admit.. I would pay to see Faber fight Penn. Penn is a fantastic fighter who is so great on the ground. Faber is a bulldog who is relentless and doesn't take a second off. Yeah... that would be awesome to see.
Also... can we get Houston Alexander vs Gerry Cooney? They could see who could hit the ground faster.
from about 1 month ago
LMAO!!!
about 1 month ago
GREAT ARTICLE...I AGREE THAT FABER PENN WOULD BE AFIGHT TO WATCH FOR...BOTH HAVE SIMILAR STYLES AND SPEED ETC...BJ..WOULD NEED TO COME BACK DOWN AND FABER WOULD NED TO GO UP IN WEIGHT ...I THINK THIS FIGHT WILL BE MADE IF BJ STICKS AROUND,,AND WEC FOLDS.(ID LOVE TO SEE FABER AND FILHO BOTH FIGHT IN THE UFC...PIPE DREAM MAYBE ..BUT WHO KNOWS!!.
about 1 month ago
With the recent announcement that the WEC will be getting rid of the lightweight and middleweight classes it means that WEC middleweight champion and MMA superstar Paulo Filho will soon become a prominent member of the UFC middleweight division. (SOURCE BOLANDER)
from about 1 month ago
It's no pipe dream to want to see Faber and Filho in the UFC. In fact, I'd say there is a very good chance that will end up happening.
The only issue with Filho is Anderson Silva's refusal to fight him. They are long-time training partners and Silva has already said he won't fight Filho. I believe both of them would be willing to fight each other if Zuffa threw a buge pay increase at them for that fight.
about 1 month ago
Dan Henderson vs. Chuck Liddell
Liddell vs. Silva II
about 1 month ago
what about penn vs st. pierre that fight would be epic there is no way georgie would walk through penn i would even be willing to bet penn would take him out by the second round bj has a lot to prove to himself and the fans that doubt his ability. second would be couture vs fedor i will pay anything to see that fight i think fedor is the best fighter in the world but one wrong move against randy could easily spell a loss for anyone even fedor
from about 1 month ago
St. Pierre vs Penn is happening in January.
This article listed the 5 biggest fights that UFC can make with the people they currently have under contract. Fedor isn't under contract.
about 1 month ago
My top 5 biggest fights are as follows:
1. Anderson Silva V.S. GSP
2.Urijah Faber V.S. BJ Penn
3.Chuck Liddell V.S. Brock Lesnar (Could Happen)
4.Forrest Griffin V.S. Rampage 2 ( I think rampage won the first so i would love a rematch)
5.Paulo Filho V.S. Wanderlii Silva (Also Could Happen)
Honorable Mentions:
1. Anderson Silva V.S. Rampage
2.Randy Couture V.S. Fedor ( Only Honorable Mention Because it probably wont happen)
3.Chuck Liddell V.S. Dan Henderson
4.Tito Ortiz V.S. Rich Franklin ( Also Could Happen, But probably not)
5.Brock Lesnar V.S. Kimbo ( Wont Happen But Would Be HUGE PPV numbers)
about 1 month ago
Ya'll are raging newbs. Just for nobody mentioning Fedor v couture I will never return to this website.
from about 1 month ago
You should read the articles thoroughly before commenting.
I clearly mentioned that these are the top five potential fights the UFC has available to them RIGHT NOW. These are only a listing of big fights that the UFC could technically make tomorrow morning, with the fighters they currently have under contract. Fedor Emelianenko is not under a UFC contract, so that's not a fight the company can currently make.
Thanks for the comment, though. It'll be tough for you to read this response if you never come back to the website, but perhaps it'll inform the next guy who comes along and decides to comment without reading the article first.
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