Mark my words, it make take years to come out, but UFC is predeterimed just like WWE.
Wrestling used to try and fool everyone years ago too in its infancy. Then when Vince took control he decided to come clean and admit matches are predeterimed and changed it to sports entertainment and now just "entertainment."
UFC is the new "sports entertainment" even if they dont care to admit it yet. How ironic it's home is Las Vegas. The city of UFC fans like Criss Angel and other illusionist.
Brock Lesnar winning will be a huge boast to a quickly growing UFC. It gives them a better chance then any other star other then Chuck Lidell of having a household name to build around. Not to mention having Lesnar as champion will bring over wrestling fans. Lesnar is young and has already been exposed to millions of people before UFC as a WWE star.
Believe it, this was all predetermined. Lesnar couldnt outwrestle a paperbag, couldnt make a NFL practice squad. Every professional sport he tried he failed. But pro wrestling and now UFC.
Hmm he became champion in an organization that is predermined in WWE and now the only second thing he succeded in is UFC. You gotta see the big picture to see Lesnar winning the title is no coincidence. UFC in the next year will be using alot of former WWE contracts to become even bigger. Is it little surprise then they are using one of WWE former stars as their marquee star?
- B/R Ticket Guide
It's that enough even Dave Meltzer has migrated into the field of covering UFC. Meltzer has been known in wrestling circles from anywhere from the Tom Brokaw of wrestling journalist to the Geraldo Rivera of wrestling journalist. And even Meltzer has jumped on the UFC bandwagon.
To top that off, next christmas at this time you will be seeing the last of WWE wrestling figures by Jakks toys, because as of Jan 2010 Jakks wll be the official lisenced company to produce TNA wrestling figures. But that's not all, did anyone know Jakks has also signed up American Gladiators and UFC to produce action figures of their talent/characters. Look for Jakks produced American Gladiator's figures sometime in 2009 and UFC figures in late 2009 early 2010.
Dana White is no dummy. He made two deals with soon to be former licensee's of WWE. Why then would it surprise anyone then that as a precursor Brock Lesnar has been crowned champ.
And if this is unfathomable to you, then consider the fact that professional boxing has been given an ugly eye with the likes of Don King and accusations that they too have had predetermined high profile title matches.
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about 1 month ago
Hey, man stop bragging and read my WWE article. And MMA is not fixed. Brock Lesner won it on his own. As of now you can just say "It is all over when the big guy swings!" Randy may have lost a few teeth, but he did not take a fall. Also read my article "Oh, No! What Happened to Vince McMahon?" in my archives.
from about 1 month ago
I can believe that - Dana White as being the kettle calling the pot black - no surprise there
Jet - show some respect for ppl older than you - even if you don't agree with them
from about 1 month ago
a lot of these folks are comparing apples and oranges . . . i used to watch wrestling as a kid . . . i used to see guys hitting each other with folding chairs . . . pulling concealed weapons out of the waistband of their pants . . . jumping from the top rope onto their helpless opponent conveniently laying in the center of the ring . . . whenever one guy was pinned to the mat, and the ref was counting "one . . . two . . ." the guy on the bottom, invariably, would summon a burst of superhuman strength and manage to push his assailant off . . . when one guy would knock his opponent down, instead of pinning his hapless victim, he'd go and pull him to his feet so that he could throw him against the ropes and the two of them could bounce against the ropes, criss crossing back and forth across the ring until one of them clotheslined the other in spectacular fashion . . . i remember the cage matches where two men get locked in and only one comes out . . . and, of course, the wild outfits, masks, and personnas . . .
clearly, this wasn't "real" fighting . . .
from a tactical standpoint, if victory could be achieved by pinning one's opponent, then why was so much effort spent in doing everything BUT pinning the opponent? why, when your opponent was on his back on the mat, would you parade around the ring or climb on the ropes playing to the crowd? why not finish him first?
from a legal standpoint, much of what happened in the ring would have led to criminal charges and civil lawsuits . . . being hit with chairs . . . stabbed with hidden weapons . . . having mysterious vision blurring substances rubbed into your eyes . . . and beaten after being thrown outside of the ring are not within the realm of things to which a person consents when they agree to engage in a wrestling match (baseball players consent to certain types of contact by playing the game - but a player would not be said to consent to being beaten with a bat by the third base coach as they are heading for home) . . . certainly, the league would be sued because of the horrible job that the refs were doing in enforcing the rules and maintaining the safety of the wrestlers . . . i mean, everyone in the arena and everyone watching at home could see the weapon being pulled out of the waistband except for the referee, who was preoccupied with something on the other side of the ring . . .
so, chances are, the matches that i watched were not real . . . that, however, in no way dimishes the athleticism of the wrestlers . . . these guys are well-trained, well-conditioned athletes . . . they perform physical feats in the ring that your average joe - or average internet critic - would have no hope of achieving . . . the fact that the matches are not "real" means that the outcomes, logically, could be predetermined . . . whether you want to call the outcome "predetermined" or "fixed" is just a matter of vocabulary . . . when you go to watch a movie in the theatre, do you really think that the action hero star is going to lose to the bad guys and die in the end? probably not, but you enjoy watching the show, anyway . . . it is no less entertaining just because you know what the outcome will be . . .
"fixing" a real fight seems a little more problematic . . . think back to the old iron mike tyson days . . . what if don king approached you with this offer . . . "i need mike to win a decisive victory . . . he needs to pound his opponent mercilessly for three rounds . . . we need broken ribs . . . a broken nose . . . maybe a broken orbital or two . . . a little liver or kidney damage would be nice . . . and then we wanna finish the guy off with a devastating uppercut at the beginning of round four . . . we wanna lay the guy out ending with a freefall to the canvas where his head hits the floor and bounces like a basketball . . . this will really set us up for some big dollars for his next fight . . ." i'm thinking that this is going to be a pretty hard sell (i have to laugh at this one, myself) . . .
i'm not saying that outcomes can't be manipulated . . . you probably can miss a jumpshot here and there to keep the score within the spread . . . but to say that you are going to win a game on a last second jumpshot from the top of the key? or a 55 yard field goal? too many things have to go perfectly right in order for that to happen . . . what if your shot bounces off the rim? what if your teammate makes a bad pass and you don't get the ball in a position where you can take a shot? what if you hook the field goal? there are a million "what ifs" . . .
how do you plan to lose by referee stoppage due to strikes at 1:15 of round five? it requires collusion by too many people . . . your opponent . . . your respective corners . . . your respective trainers . . . the referee . . . and countless others . . . then, you have to worry that one of them will spill the beans . . . and what happens if you throw a good punch or kick and knock out your opponent in round two? now you've gone and ruined everything . . .
about 1 month ago
Was it pre-determined when Randy Couture smashed Gabriel Gonzagas nose in. Or when Frank Mir snapped Tim Sylvias forearm in two? No! MMA is real.
Brock Lesnar is one of those super human giant athletes. If he spent his college days playing football instead of building an amazing amature wrestling record of 106-5, winning the 2000 NCAA Heavyweight Championship, he probably would be in the NFL.
This is coming from a massive Randy Couture fan. A 280lb machine with hands that could be mistaken for bear paws hit couture on the temple and then followed up with multiple hammerfists.
I was pissed off when Lesnar won the title.
from about 1 month ago
Where you pissed off when you read that Kimbo fight was fixed?
No, of course not - because Dana said SO
from about 1 month ago
Dana is not really all "that" much idolized by the UFC fans, and people don't automatically believe every word he says either.
about 1 month ago
Brock Lesnar does have legitimate wrestling skills, as he is an accomplished college wrestler with that being said, your theory isn't impossible but I doubt it.
about 1 month ago
I will have to agree with Kyal, how can something be pre-determined when you have guys breaking there noses, legs, arms. That stuff doesnt happen by accidents, it is a fight that is what you are going for, to smash on the other guy. No guy in there right mind would take a fall in a real fight. . .
about 1 month ago
This is a pretty silly article, man. Just because the UFC is merchandising and cashing in at every turn, that doesn't mean the product is fake. Did you actually see the fight? Have you seen any of the fights? They have athletic commisions oversee this stuff. They have real steroid testing before every fight. On top of that, there is a lot of serious money being wagered on the fights and if it ever came out that the outcomes were predetermined, there would be quite a lot of people going to jail. That, or a lot of people sleeping with the fishes.
I'm not saying it doesn't happen, look at the Kimbo fight (which they attempted to fix in favor of Kimbo, but he still got ktfo), I'm saying that it's the exception, not the rule. I don't think the UFC would be stupid enough to fix one of their fights. They don't need to. They can spin it any way they want and they can make the matchups they want.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not hating on wrestling. I used to like it when I was a little kid. But don't compare apples and oranges.
about 1 month ago
You must be joking. You should write for the Onion. How did this get published?
about 1 month ago
This just shows that mma is a joke and takes no skills. Boxing will kick mma butt lesnar has four fights and the belt what a joke, mma takes no skills it a bunch of wannabes rolling around with other men with very little clothes, they are a bunch of sissys who cannot fight. if they get in a street brawl they are wimps! mma takes no skill at all!
from about 1 month ago
nobody watches boxing anymore; I bet average american can't name more than 2 active boxers
The only ones I know are Mayweather & De La Hoya - only bcz it was hyped up but disappointing crap
from about 1 month ago
There is still boxing?
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about 1 month ago
Hey Ronnie, your theory is not too bad or far fetched in my opinion. However, I would wait for Lesnar to fight an accomplished BJJ fighter, such as Gonzaga or Noriega. If either of these guys take it to the ground, then I will start seeing things your way! But until then, I would say Lesnar was just stronger than Randy and that's why he won.
As far as your other point, I agree that Randy shouldn't have been fighting Lesnar coming off an 18 month retirement. It also doesn't make sense that Lesnar got a title shot instead of Frank Mir or Noriega. Looking at it this way, this title fight shouldn't have happened until May next year.
about 1 month ago
i could care less about MMA, it doesn't hold my attention. my whole thing is, Lesnar just broke onto the scene and wins the title? WOW. That is the amazing part in my opinion. Is this a who you know thing? Someone into MMA explain that to me.
from about 1 month ago
Sure thing,
Here's how it went down:
The UFC, much like the WWE, makes a lot of money in Pay Per View buys. The UFC is not like Boxing in that match-ups are not a result of rankings, etc. The matches are made by a match-maker who attempts to put together fights that will sell Pay Per Views. That is the reason why a "boring" fighter like Lyoto Machida (who is a perfect 13-0) hasn't gotten a title shot in the Light Heavyweight Division. Lesnar signed a very lucrative contract and after going 1-1 in the UFC, the powers that be decided that it was time to make as much money off of Lesnar as possible by pitting him against Randy Couture.
Now, the reason the top two contenders didn't get the shot is because they were already committed to a fight with each other (coming up shortly). So, this is, in essence, a tournament. Lesnar will now have to fight the winner of Frank Mir versus Antonio Noguiera to unify the interim title with Randy's title (which Lesnar now has).
Basically, Lesnar got to cut to the front because if he lost again, nobody would buy his matches, so they tried to make as much money this time as they could. Luckily, Lesnar won, now they can justify the hype and sell his next fight. There also simply aren't that many heavyweight fighters. Guys like Liddell and Rampage and Griffin are all 205 pounders.
And Lesnar is actually 3-1 in MMA. He fought one fight in K-1 before moving to UFC. He's been at it for a couple of years now.
from about 1 month ago
thank you Brad. Very informative in that small sum up.
about 1 month ago
This article is pointless, why argue? If he's going to argue that Brock Lesnar can't outwrestle a paper bag, then he's going to have to argue that NCAA wrestling is fake too. And everyone that was there in person is fake. The training videos are fake. Superstars in MMA getting seriously injured and PPVs faltering because of it is fake. You caught it, man! The feds know keep an eye out! Keep your tin hat ready man they'll try to fake you out, it's gotta be the fed only they could keep a secret this HUGE!!!! JOHN TITOR IS COMING!!!
Dumbass. lol.
about 1 month ago
dude, i used to fight mma, and i promise you, that its not fixed. people really get hit in the cage. cuts really happen and fights get stopped for that kinda shit. ive been in fights where i was a 5 to 1 underdog and came out on top, and vice versa. it all really depends on where the punches land, and who exploits who's weaknesses better.
that being said, the lesnar/couture fight...i could have told u that lesnar was going to win. he outweighed the 45 year old couture by 45 pounds. you cant expect couture to to win against that kind of physical speciman. simply put, lensar is a freak of a human.
and saying lesnar couldnt out-wrestle a paperbag is simply ludacris. look at the facts, the man was a 4 time collegiate all-american and a national champion wrestler for the university of minnesota, i dont think he was wrestling paperbags back then either.
next time, take the time to look at a few facts and present you're case in a logical manner. while your view is interesting, it lacks the necessary facts to really make anyone think.
about 1 month ago
Look I'll clarify myself, I do not doubt the validity of the brutality and realness of the punches, kicks etc. What I'm saying is though, that why is it not possible that before hand the fighters are told who is suppose to loose.
It's been done in boxing.
So why not MNA.
It may be a sport but it's also entertainment. When Brock Lesnar is pushed to the mainevent title picture, when he's a newcomer, you have to start wondering then why he wins the title after he's put in a position and title match when he previous matches indicate he shouldnt even be a title contender.
from about 1 month ago
This isn't boxing!! Boxing needs fixed fight. Plus in boxing you can see the drive for what they are. You seen to no all most nothing about MMA or it's fighters. Stick to your Wrestling
about 1 month ago
I think you should re-examine things. Boxers threw fights very very seldom, and even in some cases, it is only suspected, not proven. In a bunch of noir films, yeah, boxers were throwing matches all the time. But, as Brad pointed out, too many people would go to jail if this got out- so why would they risk it. My other point is; MMA, boxing, and pro wrestling all share some cosmetic things in common- but each one is very different. Consider it.
about 1 month ago
I think all the drugs ronnie has done, finally rotted his brain. you would have to be a complete fool to think that MMA is predetermined. You should do your research on a sport before you bash it, and the people involved. maybe you should try and fighting an MMA fight yourself and see how REAL it actually is. i'm happy WWE fans are turning to MMA. it will finally give them some sense of satisfaction of an actual fight instead of watching roided up cavemen faking pain and playing by a script, all the while dancing around in little gay tights, and thinking their dope shit.
about 1 month ago
Let me put it this way: Brock Lesnar could have STILL came into the WWE and made millions. I ask you, why fight in a lower paying predetermined fight? Seriously. If he knows the outcomes are predetermined in both sports, why go for the lower paying one? WWE could go on a serious rise from his return, so don't say because WWE is a sinking ship.
Lesnar is taking a MASSIVE paycut to fight in the UFC, and you're going to say it's just a show. Think about what you are saying. UFC is a regulated sport. Throwing fights like that is illegal I'm pretty sure. And for being such a WWE fan you seem to have failed horribly in saying Brock can't wrestle, given his credentials are better than almost everyone's there besides maybe Angle - who's injury prone and past his prime anyways so that is moot.
So he LOOKS more legitimate? Why? So nobody messed with a 275 guy that they figured they'd previously stand a chance for? So he can make more money? So he can get a deal in Hollywood?
Brock has NO reason to be throwing any fights, and Couture sure as hell didn't either. Couture would have been even more legendary had he won, everyone on the internet would have jeered Lesnar for being "taught what real MMA is", and Couture would have pocketed another $250,000 just in bonuses alone, let alone increased stock in his Xtreme Couture brand.
about 1 month ago
D-
about 1 month ago
Ronnie you are a dumb ass.....just because UFC is getting into video games and action figures its fake? No,back in 2003 they were into video games,BEFORE the SPORT blew up! Do your research! Also action figures...hmmm..THAT means UFC has to be fake,because they want to make money..Thanks for pointing that out! Just because your stuck in WWE land and UFC in taking over don't come and throw accusations out. These are REAL ATHLETES not paid actors like WWE. They didn't go through months and months of training just to lose! There are SOOOO many holes is your theory its funny. Lesnar was 106-5 in NCAA he does have skills! You couldn't pay me to take a beating like Chris Leben did against Anderson Silva! Im guessing that at UFC 92 that Rampage is pre-determined to win because he is 0-2 against Wanderlii Silva,Right? Or Rashad Evans is gonna beat Forrest because he beat Liddell and now hes more marketable! Right? Or Frank Mir will upset Nogueria because a Mir V.S. Lesnar 2 is more PPV buys that a Nogueria V.S. Lesnar,Right? Get the Fuck Outta here,go do some WWE blogs,you don't know anything about MMA. Your just mad because UFC is bigger than ever and WWE is all but done for!
about 1 month ago
Let me put it this wat. Couture= Bob Backlund. Lesnar = Hulk Hogan.
We all know what happened in 1984 when Backlund was told to drop the belt to Iron Sheik, so Hogan could win it a month later.
UFC just bipassed the Iron Shiek person and just flat out handed the title over to Lesnar in the new ushering of the guard without using a middle man like WWF did in 1984.
from about 1 month ago
Nah, you see you are not taking into consideration Randy Coture, an olympic type wrestler who would never be asosiated with predetermined crap, the guy already has plenty of money and has no reason to throw a fight to brock. The guy actually spent a year trying to fight the best fighter in world Fedor Emelianenko, a year which he did other stuff and did not fight simply because his honor as a figther told him he should find the best competition available, if he would be willing to simply Put people over then he would not have taken that year off and would have been putting everybody over in the UFC.
people who watch pro wrestling forget , that athletes have actual aspiration and desires to be the best, not everybody likes beight put over, and get fake belts, that's why guys like Brock left the WWE and others who actually have athletic talents, he didn't just leave WWE to simply go to UFC and get another pre determined belt.
If you think about it hard enough you can see that it wouldn't make sense, there is already plenty of clear cut evidence that shows how real mma is, not only the injuries the outcomes, is not all the time that the marketing favorite wins many times the other guy wins. in this case both guy had strong backing the better man won, through fair competition.
about 1 month ago
Interesting article.
With all of the paperwork and legalities of things, wouldn't UFC get in trouble if things were predetermined?
There are bets being placed in Las Vegas over these fights. Imagine the drama that will unfold if UFC turned out to be predetermined.
about 1 month ago
FIX!!! 100% For all you saying broken bones, noses, blood...etc..it is real. Not every fight is fixed dumbqsses!! Just the big ones. Pay attention!! Just like the Forrest/Rampage fight. They told the judges, "If Forrest makes it to decision, FORREST IS OUR NEW CHAMP!!
about 1 month ago
I think I understand where Armando is coming from and he makes a good point.
When a judge declares a winner how can someone say the possiblity of a match being predetermined is out of the question. Didnt the judge declare the match be stopped saturday night when he felt Couture couldnt go on anymore? Isnt this how Brock Lesnar won the title? By a judge's stopping of the match.
As far as bets being placed in Vegas on UFC like boxing. That's a good point as well. Big time drama would unfold if it was revealed to be predetermined. The problem though is if it is ever revealed to be predetermined it wouldnt happen for many many years, and by that time the bets that were placed now will be long forgotten. I cant go back as a wrestling historian before the 1970's. But did anyone bet on wrestling in the 1950's before anyone even knew it was predetermined? If so then this would be the same scenerio as now if in fact UFC is predetermined.
about 1 month ago
Anyone who has fought at any level of MMA, will quickly discredit your theory. A person who has fought can easily tell what is real and what isn't. This is a basic fact. So that leaves the possability of one of the contestants(Couture) taking a dive. I do not know the man personly, but would be willing to bet nearly everything I have that he didn't take a dive against Brock Lenser. Your comment about Brock bnot being able to out wrestle a paper bag is ridiculous. Comments like that really show how little you know of the sport.
about 1 month ago
No one said Couture took a dive.
I never said that.
The decision in this match is left in the hands of the judge and was decided by the judge.
come to your own conclusions from that statement.
from about 1 month ago
Ronnie Bryce:
This last statement by you makes no sense at all, nor does your whole claim with this article.
The UFC certainly isn't fixed, and what the $*%& are you talking about when saying that the decision in the Lesnar/Couture match was left to the Judges......it was a $)%*^& TKO you moron!
from about 1 month ago
So let me get this straight. If Randy Couture choked Brock Lesnar out in a guillotine and rendered him unconscious, the referee would have had to walk over to Lesnar's prone body and raised his hand in victory. That's basically what you're saying here, ...no????
You sound completely ridiculous. You've watched so much fake Wrestling that you cannot separate fantasy from reality.
Maybe you should just stick to writing Wrestling articles.
Or better yet, ...why don't you simply just set up another fake Ronald Reagan account so people can mock you for your deranged political views as well.
about 1 month ago
why thank you
about 1 month ago
Brock was 106-5 as an amateur (although I don't know if any of those wins were against paper bags), Meltzer's been covering MMA since the mid-90s, and this is the single most idiotic article ever written about MMA.
Mark my words, houseplants are more knowledgeable about mixed martial arts than you.
about 1 month ago
the referee stopped it, not the judges. Learn what the hell you are talking about.
about 1 month ago
1) Brock Lesnar is a collegiat Champion Wrestler, a 4 time NCAA All American, and a 1 Time NCAA Wrestling Heavyweight Champ. If that is not impressive, I dont know what is.
2) Brock Lesnar was cut from the Minnesota vikings because he was involved in a motorcycle accident. After recovering, the NFL immediately offered him a position in NFL Europe but Lesnar declined. He declined because of the amount of time he would spend away from home, the exact same reason why he left the WWE.
3) "Judges" don't stop fights, Referees do. Yes there are bad calls in sports ALL the time, but that does not mean that other sports are fixed. But the Referee in the Lesnar/Couture fight did not stop the fight prematurely. In fact, Couture was getting pounded pretty bad and was not defending himself.
4) If fights are fixed, which I'm sure they are not, that would require the cooperation of referees, who would have their license revoked by the Athletic Commission (you know, the people who actually regulate sports), the judges, who only determine outcomes if it goes to the scorecards (and again, Judges would have their license revoked as well), the organization's management (if a scandal does break out, that organization will essentially fold just look at EliteXC), and the fighters (who would lose serious amounts of money, exposure, respect, etc.). There's alot of people involved in fixing fights.
5) The UFC's fights are not fixed. Now with that being said, plotlines are developed for the fights based on either outcome. Here's an example of how a plotline could unfold with the Couture/Lesnar fight. If Lesnar wins, it's the passing of the gaurd. New replaces the old, the underdog, the amateur, defeats the once reigning champion to be ushered in as the next star of the UFC. If Couture wins, it shows that technique trumps size, the old guard has not faded, and Couture is ready to defend his title again. The Young star just could not handle Couture's superior technique.
In either plot, the UFC comes out the winner, so it does not matter who wins the fight, so there is no point in fixing it.
about 1 month ago
You should all realize that Mr. Bryce, as a wrestling fan should know, is simply trying to draw some heel heat.
about 1 month ago
The author must have some REALLY good drugs. Anyone with an eye for combat sports can easily distinguish between WWE entertainment and "real" fighting.
In WWE, Wrestler A strikes Wrestler B, and Wrestler B flops onto the floor. Wrestler A then struts around the ring, climbs the ropes, and jumps onto Wrestler B. After a few minutes, Wrestler B manages to turn things around and ends up winning the match. Everyone knows this is completely fake, and would never happen in a real fight.
I've never seen anything in the UFC that would leave me to believe that the fighting is scripted or predetermined in any way. When an opponent is stunned or hurt, fighters rush in to finish fights. They continue to punish their opponent until they submit or the ref stops the fight (as happened in the Lesnar-Couture fight).
Obviously, you've never seen a UFC fight, and you are extremely upset that the sport of mixed martial arts has drawn a large number of fans from your preferred sport because they can now watch REAL fights to determine the best fighters.
Now please go back to your bedroom in the basement of your parent's house, and watch your WWE. Just try not to watch too much of it because it is obviously destroying your ability to distinguish between reality and fiction.
about 1 month ago
Bryce needs to take some writing courses.
A lot. Not alot. Fateful day and not "faithful day".
This was so poorly written that it actually made it seem as if I were reading a Jim Anchower article over at The Onion.
Had this been constructed better it is possible it could be given a second glance but this is remedial at best and as such serves to make both writer and his topic look foolish while discrediting both at the same time.
from about 1 month ago
Bruce, are you a remedial English teacher who is priviledged and can comment on someone's educational short comings while informing me that I do not have that right? Your profile is non-existent (Stoker alert).
Oh well, you do have a valid point.
about 1 month ago
"dave," another "new guy" with no profile (Grandma Dee asked while enabling the Stoker Spammer alert)!
Oooooooooooh, oh, A LINK-- note to Spammer Investigation Team: this one has computer knowledge which could indicate that this is indeed a new incarnation of ______________!
ATTENTION! ATTENTION! an alert is in progress! S.I. T. to their stations and begin "Operation I.D.E.N.T.!" immediately!
Stoke, just found another one. Ho hum.
about 1 month ago
"Lesnar couldnt outwrestle a paperbag"- Wow that discredits anything you have to say a total moron you are
If big matches were predetermined Franklin/Liddell would still be champs hell Chuck would not have lost to Jardine they would have had Machida take a dive by now since alot of people do not like his style so anyone who really watches,and understands the sport will not belive you any idiot band wagon jumper to the sport who knows jack shit I.E YOU will believe in such nonsense.
LOL @ Brock Lesnar couldnt (look at your typo) outwrestle a paper bag you should google his NCAA credentials which equqte,and surpass alot of established UFC fighters moron
about 1 month ago
Who cares anyway UFC is fake.
about 1 month ago
The writer of this article and any of you guys saying "Ya, it's not too far fetched to believe this". Are complete morons who obviously have never watched the UFC or anyother mma for thatmatter. What a bunch of dumb arses.
about 1 month ago
This is weak at best. Did the EliteXC fix fight yes This was plan to see. Does the UFC not on your life. If anything the Ref let Randy get beat a little to long. Before you start throwing stone maybe you should look where you throwing. This isn't boxing.
about 1 month ago
the guy that wrote this crap is fuckin moron,not one of his so called facteven close to the s are truth.do some homework asshole before you open your mouth.you wont look and sound so fuckin stupid then.
ahaywire1
about 1 month ago
Why thank you.
Chuck Lidell is that you?
I can barely understand your writing
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