Although Brock Lesnar may not be a leader in UFC, he is the world champion, so that is why I have said this in the title. But if you saw Ronnie's "UFC is predetermined" article, you know that UFC could be fixed now.
I mean, having a guy like Lesnar in there is kind of weird isn't it? It isn't hard to tell that Randy Couture might have not been on his game against him, but you know he could have been asked to take a dive by management.
If you saw the fight between Couture and Lesnar, you saw Couture go down in the second round. And Lesnar just pounced on him, punching him until it was stopped.
They talked about it before, how if Lesnar won it would be like a new era or a passing of the torch. How fitting was it that Lesnar beat Couture, and yet he wasn't to upset.
Couture knew that he was going down, and they played it perfectly. I mean what was this, Lesnar's fourth total MMA fight and he is world champion of the UFC? Come on there were more deserving guys out there who could have gotten a shot.
But they needed a guy who knew how to sell something, a guy who know how to make it seem it was harder than it was. That is why they put Lesnar in. A former WWE wrestler who knows all about that stuff.
I am not saying Lesnar doesn't deserve to win; in wrestling rules, if you're popular and the crowd likes you then you become the champion. So that could be why he won against Couture.
This was Couture's last fight, if not one of his last. And they had to have a new face; why not Lesnar? A guy who is good on camera, knows how to sell a fight, and is popular with many of the wrestling and MMA fans.
They need ratings to in UFC, they have to pay for everything. And I am not even talking about it being in Las Vegas either. I mean the gambling capital of the world? Ever heard of the Black Sox, UFC fans?
We all thought the other team just plain won, but now we know the other gave it away because they were getting money under the table. You can say he won it by himself with no help.
But who is to say Couture wasn't paid to take a dive? Lesnar is a semi-good fighter, but not a guy who can beat a vet like Couture. And although Lesnar sells PPVs for UFC, he may sell more with a the wrestler crossover.
I mean a potential Kurt Angle and Brock Lesnar fight has been talked about by Dana White. Yeah, that will be interesting; I've got my money on Brock. And you all should, too; UFC won't let him lose for a while.
That is my take on UFC's "leader," Brock Lesnar
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about 1 month ago
Come on man, we just got past all this garbage, why would you bring it up again??
from about 1 month ago
Some folks who just can't handle a live horse, like beating on dead ones; what an appropriate activity for fans of a dying sport!
from about 1 month ago
now uncle Joe this isn't to you it is to Dorothy, quite frankly because I like the name Uncle Joe. Dorothy the problem with you is not that you are not a great writer becausse we all can say you are are, who ever says it is stupid in their own right. But my problem is that you cannot take what you dish out.
See you have written some very bias things at pro-wrestling and that was cool with us over there, we just shared our opinion and the rest was history, at least by my standards it was. We know what we like is predetermined, we like watching sort like we watch sports like football and basketball. It is exciting and thrilling to us.
Sure you may not like it, and I am not saying you have to, but I saw the fight, for free by the way. I even gave the opportunity to watch it to MMA fans across B/R, if they took advantage no one knows. But I saw what I expected a short fight, and I told everyone I know it would be. I wanted to see Couture win so much, because he is one guy I have seen fight many more times than a Lesnar or Mir.
He was what we call in the wrestling world a "babyface" and Lesnar was the "Heel" meng good and bad. You even can tell the persona through interviews on who takes what. But Lesnar won the bout, WOW shocker. Did you hear Dana White on Spike TV hours before the fight, saying it would be like the passing of the guard, or passing of the torch if Lesnar won?
WOW you have an older Couture or an up and comer in Lesnar, who is better to market I wonder? I'd say Lesnar, he is young, and very marketable, he is good on the mic because of his days in the WWE, so radio and TV spots would be nothing for him.
Why do you think this fight was made? Many MMA fans, not just guys like me thought it was weird that Lesnar got a shot before others. But then I figured it out, MMA fans and Dana White liked Lesnar he was very popular. And on the same hand so was Couture why not put a guy who is popular against a UFC legend and have them go at it. We could see them fight it out and have Lesnar win so that we could market him and get UFC off the ground head and shoulder above the likes of the WWE.
But we need a fight that would generate money and that would be this one. Which I believe was the highest grossing PPV in UFC history if I am not mistaken. And we need for Couture the old guy to go down, and Lesnar to win. Why don't we pay him off and give him a ltiitle bonus in that contract of his, a contract which we the fans never saw.
Lesnar would be the new champ and a new era would be around. White even wanted to do it because of the money they were sure to make. I know that Ronnie touched on this before, but it was true that wrestling was believed to be real. And if you didn't believe it was not you were dumb, stupid, ignorant, etc.
If you said good show to one wrestler he would almost kill you on the spot, becuase it was "FIGHT" not a "SHOW". Vince McMahon took over the WWF at the time, now the WWE from his dad. And then said it was predetermined to sell it and market it better. It would be allot of acting out and real moves, but nothing that would really hurt the wrestlers to much.
WHy do we hold UFC to beign above it? Sure to me it is exciting, and you always want to see that knockout, or great submission. Not saying that all MMA is, but possibly UFC. I mean it is the leader in MMA is it not. We all know that some fights have been fixed before, fighters have come out and said it.
Lets not go on with the sharad any longer, and Dorothy, just because my opinion is different that yours doesn't mean I am less of a person, or stupid. This is America that I live in, ever heard of freedom of th press or freedom of speech. If not read a history book.
-Joe Burgett
about 1 month ago
Gotta agree with Uncle. I ,in no way, believe this was fixed.
Let it go! Let it go!
from about 1 month ago
What is the definition for fixed?
It probably means one thing for you & completely other to Dana White.
Only real thing was that punch that put Randy on the ground (I tried it out on myself & almost knocked myself half-concious)
What is fake is that Brock will not fight again for another 9 months - so there will not be a proof that he is the "real" champion until UFC 100
from about 1 month ago
"I tried it out on myself & almost knocked myself half-concious". Hahahahaha, classic. I find it funny that there are so many people talking about how that punch "didn't land". Raise your hand if you've ever actually been punched in the face. *raises hand*
from about 1 month ago
(Raising hand) I too have been knocked out by my oldest son, a Toughman competitor from way back when. He is proud to have knocked his poor old mother out and if anyone tries to shame him he replies, "Hey, a knockout is a knockout, it still counts."
about 1 month ago
I'm so sick of people saying that the UFC is fixed. If you watched that fight, you would know that Couture was holding more than his own up until Lesnar caught him. Randy had a great game plan and if he could have stayed inside Lesnar's punch, he may very well have won that fight. I have yet to see one fight that I would call as "fixed" in the UFC.
It is also wrong to think that Dana and the UFC are just going to feed Lesnar opponents he will squash. Mir has already beaten Lesnar and could very well do it again. And Big Nog has beaten far better fighters than Lesnar in his day. Big Nog can submit Lesnar with ease if Lesnar makes even the smallest of mistakes should they fight.
Lesnar is a freak of nature physically and will only get better as a fighter but there are no guarantees that he will hold onto his belt past his next fight. And I hate saying this but to say the fight was fixed is just idiotic.
from about 1 month ago
"Idiotic" and "Pro wrestling fan" are synonyms.
about 1 month ago
I agree that Dana White must have preferred that Brock win, because of the reasons you mentioned.
However, after seeing him beat up Heath Herring (and seriously injured him), I did not doubt that he was capable of beating Randy.
Randy isn't a submission machine like Frank Mir, so that covered one of Brock's biggest weaknesses.
Also, I think the Black Sox are a perfect example of why not to cheat: the risk of getting caught is too great (and what if a fighter said no?)
But even if you don't buy that, consider that Brock's next opponent is likely to be Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira. Nogueira will be favored by most to beat Brock Lesnar, at least while Brock is still a newcomer.
from about 1 month ago
Come on now people in the MMA community. You are laughing so loudly at poor Joe that I can hardly think!
Stop now, everybody, please . . .
OK! I really mean it!
Seriously now, (snicker, snort, sputter . . . FOFLOL!)
Please, ha, ha, ha . . . stop . . . ha, ha, ha . . .Oh hell, just go ahead and keep laughing! I can't stop either!
about 1 month ago
This article is a Joke, so is the writer.
from about 1 month ago
No arguments here.
from about 1 month ago
Woh, I could care les if you hate the article, butdon't insult me, its my opinion, and I am entitled to it, as you are yours
about 1 month ago
I'm not going to be combative here.
I feel that Lesnar/Couture was not fixed. However, anything is possible. If the fight was going to be fixed, Dana White and Fertita would be excluded and unaware of the scheme. They are too wealthy to take such a foolish risk.
Organized crime would have set up a fix had they been so inclined. But while the UFC is getting richer and richer, their fighters are grossly underpaid.
The mob sticks to illegal sports-betting and tapping the pro boxing til. And they'll keep it that way, at least until a lot more MMA money passed into the fighters' managers hands.
from about 1 month ago
Nice try, Jersey Joe, but I know from past experience that you are talking over this kid's head. Fake wrestling he can comprehend, but anything else stops his reasoning process altogether. (And the kicker is . . . he is in college!)
about 1 month ago
Interesting article, even if it stirred the pot... :)
The UFC management has nothing to gain from fixing fights. They would've had great story lines either way. Having pre-determined fights is illegal and if exposed, someone would hang.
"But who is to say Couture wasn't paid to take a dive?"
Randy doesn't seem like the type.
about 1 month ago
Ive said it before and Ill say it again Joe, there is absolutely no connection between the UFC and the antics and sideshows performed in the WWE. There is no fix, Couture did well and got caught. Your way off target here, and you must make an effort to differentiate between your obvious true love of pro wrestling and the very real unpredictable world of MMA. The only similarity is Brock was once a showman and is now a fighter.
about 1 month ago
my two cents,
UFC would never risk fixing a fight, especially of this magnitude.
Fixing a fight involves too many people knowing about it, which in turn leads to leaks, which then can easily cause the whole promotion to suffer and die (as it happened with several promotions in the past)
Dana White and Fertitas would never put their empire in such danger. They stood to make as much profit if Randy won.
cheers,
from about 1 month ago
some Boxing fights have been and I mentioned the Black Sox, why not bring up a rising sport like MMA into consideration for it, they are not abovit
about 1 month ago
Brock was a two time All American college wrestler that was 106-5 with a National Championship. He also trained MMA and was set to fight at a smaller show when he realized that he would not be able to continue wrestling at Minn. if he fought MMA so he put it on hold (he has been training MMA since 2000). The WWF made him an offer he couldn't refuse and he capitalized on it just as he did his UFC title shot. Couture-Lesnar was not a set up, both men gave 100 percent and deserve to be recognized as the warriors they are.
from about 1 month ago
Just to clear things up with your arguement a tad dude, its the WWE now and had been a few years before Brock joined.
about 1 month ago
I think Brock is the Kimbo Slice of the UFC. Besides his inevitable match with Frank, I don't know who Dana is going to get to fight this guy. Won't be Gabriel Gonzaga or someone of his caliber anytime soon.
Anymore Heath Herring's out hthere?
from about 1 month ago
Unless something very unusal happens, Brock will be fighting Big Nog next. It is very possible that Lesnar will never get the chance to avenge his loss to Mir.
from about 1 month ago
Lesnar would smash Gonzaga just like Couture did. Comparing Lesnar to Slice is retarded. Lesnar is a two time Div. 1 All American with a record of 106-5 who also won a NCAA National Championship. He is a world class athlete. Kimbo Slice beat up a couple crack heads in someones back yard. Brock Lesnar is a very good athlete and will go as far as he wants in the sport of MMA as long as he keeps training hard. Nog and Mir are fighting for the chance to meet Brock. Lesnar will beat either of them just watch. You are an idiot Marco.
from about 1 month ago
Hey Monkey, er Mike!
How many NCAA chumps, er champs have they had in the past 100 years? 100? Close to it I would imagine.
And u call ME an idiot, geez.
about 1 month ago
Come on Joe. It is hard for me to believe that you are considered a senior writer and are putting out garbage like this. If you actually think MMA fights are fixed, you should resign your post here and go do something else.
about 1 month ago
I just realized that you are actually a pro wrestling writer, and now that explains everything. All that fake wrestling shit is naturally built into your psyche. Yes, MMA is fake, please keep believing that.
about 1 month ago
1. This wasn't Randy Couture's last fight.
2. Brock Lesnar vs. Kurt Angle is not something Dana White is looking to book. Just because you keep repeating it doesn't mean it's true.
3. You're not very bright if you honestly think that the UFC is a worked sport. This isn't Pancrase.
about 1 month ago
The only thing that should be fixed is Joe's testes. I find it hilarious that all these scared little "purists" are so offended by the fact that Brock has just walked into the UFC and taken over this quickly. And he's only going to get better too.
from about 1 month ago
While I agree that the 'purists' are offended, Joe shouldn't be confused with a purist. He is the opposite of a purist. He is the ultimate pro wrestling fan/writer.
from about 1 month ago
Totally agreed, Jeff. Joe isn't really even an MMA fan, as every article I've seen him write in this community deals with Brock Lesnar.
from about 1 month ago
Why would we be scared?
If it was all real wouldnt we wrestling fans be happy a former WWE star has taken your professional ( blood) sport by storm?
It would just show to us wrestling fans if UFC isnt fixed that a guy who was a wrestler can carry himself and beat the big boys in a so called "real" mixed martial arts fight.
Who know's, maybe WE, evil, loser, dumb, brain dead wrestling fans ( as you UFC fans have called us) all conspired and Vince McMahon planted Lesnar in UFC to bring it down from the inside.
Even better, how about this, wouldnt it fracture your alphamale ego's to know that Vince McMahon and Dana White were in cahoot's with each other
from about 1 month ago
Seriously, you are not very smart.
Brock Lesnar is a former NCAA heavyweight champion. He wasn't raised a pro wrestler, and in fact he hated it. He hated the lifestyle, he hated the business, he hated everything about it. These are facts that are on record. He hated it so much, in fact, that he left the WWE and agreed to a no-compete clause that would run through the remaining eight years of his WWE contract. Of course, he beat that silly no-compete clause in court, but that's not the issue.
Ronnie, there are plenty of intelligent pro wrestling fans in the world who understand the business and can discuss it and other subjects without coming off as idiots. You, sir, do not seem to be one of those people. I'm a wrestling fan and have been writing about the business since 1993, so I know it's entirely possible to have a discussion about the business without coming off like the stereotypical wrestling fan like you do. Give it a shot.
from about 1 month ago
In response to Jeremy's coments, you cannot really bring up the NCAA champion stuff allot. Sure thre are many of those in MMA, but there are some in wrestling now. I.E. Shelton Benjamin and Kurt Angle for starters. There are even a bunch more that Vince has brought in through the FCW training center. Once a wrestler always a wrestler, but just because he was a NCAA Champion means nothing he can sell a fight, I know he can, he was in the WWE afterall. And to clear up your comment about all my MMA articles have been on Brovk are untrue. Try going back in through my articles again you'll see I have done a few more
about 1 month ago
Now this may go against most people's thinking, but I can see the argument for professional MMA fights being fixed, and I see why wrestling fans are naturally cautious.
Forget the whole Pro-Wrestling is fake waffle. It's obvious, now, that pro-wrestling is fake. For 80-odd years, tho', the whole world thought wrestling was real. If this were 50 years ago, on a dinosaur-themed internet, we'd all be here swearing blind that wrestling was real, and anyone who thought otherwise was an idiot. That includes the vast amounts of people that were 'in' on the scam, it still didn't hit the public. That includes betting, too, and media, and everything else that goes into making a business.
Now, the recent EliteXC circus has shown everyone that there ARE shady things that have gone on, so is it really that hard to believe that it goes on in other organizations?
In the past few months we've had the James Thompson Kimbo fight, with Thompson clearly holding back on the elbows he was landing, we've had Seth Pet state that he was offered an incentive to keep the fight standing, we've had Shamrock say he was offered the same thing, and the next day we've had Liddell state exactly the same thing when he was in his early days of UFC.
All this "Brock isn't a credible champion" is a perfect example. The UFC don't give a rat's ass that a champion is a legitimate martial artist. They care that he's a legitimate attraction that can draw money.
A great deal of revenue is made in sports betting. What is the Ferttita's main business area again?
Amateur status is about sport. Professional status is about money. The Benjamins. The cheddar. Pure and simple, and while it stays that way I won't totally rule out the notion of everything not being on the up and up.
about 1 month ago
Well jay Im not offended by what you say, and I dont thing Joe is stupid either.
Fights can be fixed in mma but by matchups - not by the actual fighting.
For instance Brock vrs Heath - everyone knew heath was gunna get a beating because his style is to stand and get hit.
A better example of overblown "fixation" would be the Silva vs James Irving fight. Talk about a fiasco.
What about the Bisping vs Hammil fight? my god if that wasnt bullsh-t I dont know what is.
The most dangerous enemy of mma is Dana White.
Dismantaling Pride was a huge error. I just hope this whole sport doesnt blow up from overexposure and questionable fights like those above.
Dana better start putting more Fire vs Fire in that octagon of his or people are gunna get hip real quick. We arent all stupid afterall.
from about 1 month ago
"We arent all stupid afterall."
Are you sure about that? After all, 850000 of us just paid $50 each to watch a 280lb 2 time ncaa wrestler and absolute monster beat up a 45 year old man.
from about 1 month ago
Amen brothers
from about 1 month ago
oh and that fight you all pad for first off I saw for free and second it only lasted until the second round, just like boxing, it wasn't worth the money the diehard MMA fans put into it.
about 1 month ago
a shot in the back of the ear is a knockout shot. it is proven by science.
about 1 month ago
Its also illegal
from about 1 month ago
Why?
from about 1 month ago
Complainers are saying that Brock's shot was in the back of the head, which it is illegal to strike an opponent back there. I have watched Brock's show in super-slo-mo many times, and his shot was more like the side of the head, which is a clean shot. The replay's didn't show it very well, but Randy's head got jacked before he went down.
from about 1 month ago
Randy also turned his head away from the punch. It's the same thing that happened in the Mir fight -- Lesnar was murdering Frank with those hammer fists, Frank turns his head and the punch catches him in the back of the head, the fight is stopped and they're stood up. Mir was seconds away from being finished.
Intentional, repeated blows to the back of the head are illegal. What Brock did to Randy wasn't illegal, especially since Randy's the one who turned away from the punch.
from about 1 month ago
THere seems to be a bit of confusion here. The shot that knocked Randy to the ground wasn't illegal, I was just wondering why Marco thought it was.
The back of the head, under the unified rules, is a specific area, from the top of the skull down to the spine. The no-hit area is essentially Liddell's mohawk. Any strike either side of that mohawk, including behind the ears, is legal.
about 1 month ago
Thank You Joe for writing this article.
It shows I am not in the minority on my opinion on UFC and in particular the main event at UFC 91.
Thank You Jay and several others who had enough courage to speak their mind knowing the UFC masses would attack.
Someone made the comment, that Brock wont be fighting until UFC 100 and will not have a fight for another 9 months.
As "The Church Lady" used to say isnt that convenient. This get's better and better by the day.
So Dana White and UFC get's a whole 9 months to promote Brock Lesnar as World Champion.
That's a given 9 months of Lesnar as a gauranteed world champion that they can market. And market and make tons of money off of him they will.
I was tying to let this whole thing die down a little, even though I'm still convinced, the fight was predetermined so Dana White could make massive money and build UFC up even bigger with their new poster boy Brock.
I really wanted to let it go.
But you know what?
Something happened today that makes me believe it all even more.
While Pre Black Friday shopping for my family , I walked past Spencer's at my local mall, and low and behold inside the store window, is a GIANT cardboard cutout of Brock Lesnar, and a GIANT poster taking up half the window, saying " Congradulations Brock Lesnar is the new world champ.. help celebrate with Brock's inspired new line of UFC shirts."
On the giant poster Lesnar is wearing a new skull like design with his name on it and the UFC logo.The "congradulations" writing was offical and on the giant poster and cardboard cutout.
How fast did UFC produce these babies and send them out to Spencers?
All with inside of a week?
Yes it get's more auspicous by the day.
Auspicious: , (look it up it's a real word Dorothy). I know you implied that I was too dumb to know the difference between auspicious and suspicious and used it incorrectly. I think not.
from about 1 month ago
Your stupidity flat-out amazes me. I gotta admit, I'm curious to see what you'll write next.
from about 1 month ago
You are either retarded or you're just trying to stir things up. I'm not sure which. But you could at least get your facts straight -- Lesnar is nothing 9 months from now, he's fighting in March or April.
A little research goes a long way. The Spencer's cutouts were created in anticipation of Lesnar winning. They had two versions that are absolutely identical with the exception that one of them has the text congratulating Lesnar on a win. The other version was already in stores, and once he won, it was replaced with the newer version. They didn't make it because they knew he was going to win -- DeathClutch made them just in case he ended up winning.
from about 1 month ago
Also: the UFC didn't create those cutouts. They are made by DeathClutch, the company that sponsors Lesnar. Spencer's carries DeathClutch clothing, including the official Lesnar shirts.
auspicious: promising success; propitious; opportune; favorable: an auspicious occasion.
suspicious: tending to arouse suspicion
If you're going to make fun of others for grammar, you should at least use the dictionary to make sure you've got the correct definitions. Looks like Dorothy was right.
about 1 month ago
Lets not be too heavy handed with my one and only Fan!
It wasnt fixed. It was set-up and there IS a difference.
It doesnt guarantee a result it just prepares for one. Remember what happenned to GSP? I don think they intended for Matt Serra to beat the crap out of their golden boy but it happenned.
Same goes here- either way they win. No pain in Randy winning - easily just as marketable imo, just not prefferable
about 1 month ago
Don't you guys have a 9/11=INSIDE JOB class to teach? Or be studying how the moon landing was faked?
about 1 month ago
you people run your mma block like a bloody election campaign all i really got from it was that you all dont respect each other or the sport enough to stick to what we know to be true and stear clear of speculation this site is a joke
about 1 month ago
was it fixed? who really knows for sure. was it about the money? no question yes! does money have more importance with this company than the integrity of the sport? again yes no question. as an mma fan i personally want to see the top contenders get what they have worked for. but as a true fan i watch the up coming guys so for me to see a guy with 3 fights get a title shot. its a little un settling. even though he won, he still was not a legit contender. if he was then where was shane carwin who is 10-0 or congo etc. etc. and yes georges must face alvez and penn vs florian. its no good for these guys to do anything else right now. but the money is not as good. consider this people used to say wow wouldnt it be cool to see gsp vs silva or penn. we have done this to our selves we asked and dana listend. people talked about the fantasy matches that they would pay big for and zuffa heard it. here is the solution that will never happen. as fans we need to understand the process of finding the best fighters. realize that these guys need to work into the position for a title shot and recieve it when they are due and only then. result will be consistant competition. super fights dont have to be bad but set them up when its right for the sport. any sport can be pure and enjoyable until you allow money to influence it. so you can all go ahead and slay me now. but fedor is the best heavyweight on the planet right now. put that in your pipe and smoke it. lol.
from about 1 month ago
Well I wouldn't go as far to say this site is a joke dude. But it is an open source site that you can share your opinion in, so thanks for sharing.
-Joe Burgett
about 1 month ago
Now people who buy deathclutch merchandise and shop Spencers are going to give me a grammar lesson. How nice.
I suppose UFC merchandise is the perfect fit for Spencers, right next to the dildo's and sex toys.
about 1 month ago
Why is it so difficult for so many B/L members to ignore hostile, combative trolls?
I mean, how hard can it be to starve them out be not feeding them?
from about 1 month ago
Ok I didn't really get that
from about 1 month ago
Ok I didn't really get that
about 1 month ago
Starve them out (by) not feeding them.
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