Pardon me if I am not that impressed with the current UFC Heavyweight Champ. To me he's kind of the UFC version of Kimbo Slice.
I firmly believe that the UFC is going in the wrong direction, and its all because of Dana White and his stupid match-ups.
In any event here are five guys that could beat Brock Lesnar today. Except for maybe Frank Mir, I doubt that Dana will risk losing his new toy to any of them soon - in other words hes gonna do a Don King routine and protect his fighter the way he does Silva.
1. Frank Mir
Frank beat him once and he will beat him again unless Dana puts something in his water. It looks like an inevitable match-up anyway because of the reality show. Seems Dana put himself into a corner with this one. Lets see how he gets out of it.
2. Bobby Hoffman
This one wont ever happen of course because Bobby is a serious knucklehead and doesn't fit Dana's image of what a fighter should be. Regardless, he would kick the crap out of Brock Lesnar.
3. James Thompson
One of my favorite fighters, I can't figure out why this guy doesn't get a shot in the UFC. He beat Kimbo - we all saw it- and he was a good draw in Pride so give him a shot. I think he would knock the garbage out of Brock. Maybe that's why we don't see him there.
4. Brandon Vera
I think moving down in weight was a bad move for this guy. He should get back up to about 230. He would submit Brock from his back. Dana won't put Brock up against any Jui-Jitsu guys tho unless he has to—like he will have to with Frank.
5. Gabriel Gonzaga
This would also be a quickie. I think its pretty obvious that Brock would get busted up and busted up early against this monster. Won't see that fight anytime soon either.
Mirco would probably wipe the floor with Brock and so would Kongo. The list goes on and on—who is this guy gonna fight? If he miraculously survives Frank—who is Dana gonna get to fight him so that he can remain the champ?
-Marco Yanitelli "The Itallian Scallion"
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about 1 month ago
I thought mentioning Fedor would be redundant at this point.
from about 1 month ago
or Big Nog
about 1 month ago
Ive got to say, while Brock hasnt come close to earning my respect, he will be and is a formidable foe for any fighter. That being said, the skill sets mentioned would give him more than his share of trouble. I want him to fight Gonzaga, I think that would expose his weaknesses. In the end I beleive he will fight Nog and Nog will beat him. I was wrong about Couture, but the line keeps moving. For my money, now Im waiting for Antonio to step up and unify his belt. The one he won before Brock was even relevant and Randy was off filming movies. It seems fitting to me. Just my two cents.
from about 1 month ago
"Ive got to say, while Brock hasnt come close to earning my respect, he will be and is a formidable foe for any fighter."
I totally agree. This Brock Bashing is getting old quickly. Regardless of how people feel about him, he's been pretty much thrown to the wolves, and come out on top. He hasn't been hand-fed Bo Cantrells and Tank Abbotts. His first fight was against an Olympic Judo gold medallist who, while not having the best MMA record, has a legitimate competition background in martial arts. Frank Mir is no bum, Heath Herring is a very experienced and dangerous fighter, and what needs saying about Randy Couture?
As Todd says, he IS a formidable foe, and will only get better.
about 1 month ago
This is one of the stupidest articles I've ever seen. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
from about 1 month ago
Robert beat me to it.
Agree, disagree, disagree, disagree, agree.
James Thompson is quite possibly the worst big man in the sport, second only to Kimbo Slice. Brandon Vera? The guy is a 210lb HW. Brock would shake him like a dog with a rag doll. Bobby Hoffman? He of the loss & no contest to Tony Bonello and who hasn't fought since 2006? Wow, that sir is a fine reach and a half.
Mir. Gets smashed by Nog so we won't see him beat by Lesnar until late 2009. Gonzaga has the best shot, although I'm not sure his chin would hold up. Gonzaga could throw some nasty ass head kicks at Lesnar though.
from about 1 month ago
Haha, I agree 100% with you Robert. Only one of the guys he mentioned stands a chance, Gonzaga. The fact he admitted to being a fan of Thompson proves he has no idea what he is talking about. Not to mention he put a LHW in his list.
from about 1 month ago
Robert's comment fits with my impression exactly; I could not have expressed it better.
from about 1 month ago
Mike, mike, mike.
Please refer below to my response to Robert's drivel.
Jus cuz yer so nice and all....
from about 1 month ago
QFT
about 1 month ago
James Thompson? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!! OH, huh, uh, ha haha, Ha, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!! JAMES THOMPSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is hands down the funniest thing I've read today!!
from about 1 month ago
You must not have read Joe Burgett's article about the Lesnerv Couture fight being fixed. Do yourself a favor and read it too.
from about 1 month ago
I cant help it- I like the guy.
I dont tell you to stop drinking shirley temples or to stop wearing womens clothes so why tell me who I can be a fan of.
Honestly.
from about 1 month ago
Thats a response to Scott BTW
Dorothy can wear all the womens clothes she wants too!
about 1 month ago
Dude, you are seriously delusional. Lesnar would kick the crap out of any of the fighters on the list. I'm not even going to answer the poll because none of the fighters on the list would have a chance. Gonzaga? Have you seen what Couture did to Gonzaga? Gonzaga had his chance against Couture and got his ass kicked. Lesnar had his chance against Couture and knocked him out. Simple math bro. Big NOG is next. But if and when Lesnar beats NOG, there will still trolls like you writing crap like this. Keep up the great work!
from about 1 month ago
That's where you're wrong. Even if Lesnar dominates Nog and then knocks him out cold (something that's never been done), people will still find something to complain about. It's the nature of the beast.
from about 1 month ago
Isn't that what I just said above?
about 1 month ago
It certainly is. For some reason, I read the sentence wrong. My bad.
about 1 month ago
what a stupid article. James "The Colosus"? Come on dude, lay off the LSD.
about 1 month ago
Brandon Vera? Are you kidding me?
And Mir was being killed until Brock made a rookie mistake. Had the ref not prematurely stood them up, Mir would have been TKOed just like Couture.
Lesnar is not invincable by any means, but give the mamn some credit.
about 1 month ago
Why are some of you folks so combative?
Does that sort of behavior solidify your point? Is this the best way to promote the growth of B/R?
Anyway, I think all of the above can possibly defeat Brock Lesnar. And although James Thompson has the least likely chance of defeating Brock, I wouldn't bet big on Lesnar over Thompson.
Thanks for the good read, Marco
from about 1 month ago
It's the internet. Call a spade a spade.
about 1 month ago
Thanks Joe!
Before your comment I felt like hiding in a corner - talk about being thrown to the wolves!
Hey guys chill out, I'm not Brock bashing as much as I am complaining about Dana and the way he runs the show.
I know the biz and have been around it a long time, just because A beats B and B beats C doesn't mean C can't beat A.
Im not going to flame you guys but cmon man do you even watch the sport?
about 1 month ago
BTW Before you dog James Thompson - remember that he came about 1 inch from knocking out Alexeander E.
Yeah he lasted 11 seconds but they were exciting seconds!
He would certainly pose more of a challenge than Heath Herring
about 1 month ago
Sorry Marco but I was thinking pretty much exactly what all these other guys have said.
Mir has a chance but only if Brock lets it go to the ground, Mir ain't takin him down. Won't matter because I doubt Mir will beat Nog.
Nog has the best chance but I won't be surprised if something similar to Randy/Lesnar happens to Nog as well.
Bobby Hoffman?? No Chance.
James Thompson was barely winning against Kimbo. Lesnar could probably beat them both at the same time.
Vera could barely muster up the energy to stay in the clinch with Reese Andy, Brock would beat him by shaken baby syndrome.
Gonzaga has the second best chance of this group but as Jeff mentioned up above he had no answer what so ever for Randys wrestling or clinch, Brock would just do more of the same but meaner.
Cro cop's got a good record against wrestlers but got KO'd by Randlman and Gonzagas ground n pound set up a head kick that sent him packin back to Japan. Think Brock might be better at G&P than Gabe??
Lastly is Mr Kongo who is decent on his feet but relies on his size/strength, which is neutralized here, has horrible take down defense and no ground game, which is exactly where he'd be within about 30 seconds into round 1, with his head bouncing off the canvas like a basketball.
We need to face the music here and give credit due where it belongs. Brock is the closest thing to a human gorilla I've seen. He legitimately beat one of the best fighters in the world to take the belt all while being fairly inexperienced. Imagine how good he'll be in a few years. I think really only Nog and Fedor got a good chance now and soon I might be betting on Brock even over them.
Don't let the negative comments here dissuade you from writing articles. These are just our opinions and you know what they say about opinions. Thanks for contributing.
from about 1 month ago
Dude, your last sentence has you encroaching on Brian Oswald's turf--better watch that!
about 1 month ago
Thanks for the thoughts Jeff!
Ive seen Bobby get the crap kicked out of him and still come back and win. Hes a mean nasty guy and on any given Sunday....
Gonzaga should have beaten Randy imo. I think if he hadnt gotten his nose broken so early it would have been different. Woulda, coulda, shoulda's as they say.
I saw Mirko knock out "The Beast" in a K-1 matchup and if he can knock that guy out then he has the power to put a foot in the face of Brock and end things the way they were ended for him vs Gonzaga.
Kongo has no take down D but once again his legs are rediculously powerful. As long as Brock could avoid gettin kicked I think he would win on the ground- but there is always that kick to the head he will have to dodge before he gets to Kongo.
James Thompson is better than he appeared vrs Kimbo - and he has a similar fighting style to Brock that could make an exciting fight - more exciting that watching Brock fight the Human Punching Bag that is Heath Herring
Brandon Vera is a masterful submitter. One open leg or arm and Brock could be in serious trouble. We have only seen Brock fight one Jui-Jitsu guy and he lost so lets not crown him the God of MMA just yet.
He just hasn't fought any real talent besides Mir and Randy. Hes 1-1 against real competition. Im not so sure how much Randy has left in the tank tho. He took 15 months off and still did pretty well against Brock till he got hit in the back of the head (illegal btw).
Lets see him fight some more guys before we lay a wreath on his head - maybe give him a test in the form of Andre Arlovsky or something, someone, anyone but guys nearing 50 and guys that just stand there and get hit.
from about 1 month ago
Just a sidenote: Arlovski was getting schooled by Roy Nelson, and was well on the way to losing that fight before a very dubious stand-up decision by the ref. If Nelson can do that to Arlovski, Brock will muller him.
about 1 month ago
BTW if I'm totally wrong then isn't the sport dead at the heavywieght lvl?
Did Brock kill the whole sport? I just am not willing to believe that as I have seen time and time again when someone is "invincible" they generally get a wake up call.
from about 1 month ago
No, HW is not dead. The UFC has some good up and comers that will challenge for contender status. Junior Dos Santos, Cain Valquez, and Shane Carwin are all up and comers. That plus Lesnar, Big Nog, Mir, Gonzaga, Herring and Kongo will mean there will be no shortage of quality matches made in the coming year. Arlovski may even return to the UFC. Hell, if Affliction folds, Fedor could also find himself in the UFC for a 3 or 4 fight contract. No, HW is by no means dead.
from about 1 month ago
Thompson and Arlovski are not in the UFC. Bobby Who? And Brandon Vera has one foot out the door. He should not have fought at HW in the first place. Gonzaga was beaten by a man with a broken arm, btw, and most fighters have had a broken nose, but not necessarily a loss due to that fact.
about 1 month ago
Those five guys you mentioned can beat Brock, period, Marco.
The only way Brock is going to remain a draw is if Dana shelves him so he doesn't lose. And we all know about Dana's scruples.
from about 1 month ago
With a few exceptions, I subscribe to the rule that anyone can beat anyone on any given day. All it takes is one punch to end a fight, and it could easily happen to Lesnar.
One loss won't hurt Lesnar's drawing power. Actually, two losses, even if they are consecutive, won't hurt him. He lost to Frank Mir and then drew a gigantic buyrate in August and yet another in November. Those buyrates are attributed to him because the other people involved in the main events of those shows (St. Pierre, Fitch, Couture) have never come remotely close to drawing that kind of money on their own.
If he strings together a series of losses, then yeah, he's going to be hurt. And he most definitely could be beaten by any of those guys on that list. I wouldn't give Thompson, Kongo or Hoffman much of a chance just because their strengths would be neutralized by Lesnar's speed, wrestling and power, but we've already seen that Mir can catch him and obviously Gonzaga would be a threat.
The trick is catching Lesnar right now, while he's still relatively inexperienced, because it seems obvious to me that he's improving his game at a far more rapid pace than most fighters do. In two years, he's going to be very, very tough to beat for anyone in the heavyweight division...and THAT is when I want to see him take on Emelianenko.
from about 1 month ago
Could the five guys above possibly beat Lesnar? Yes. Just like I could possibly win the lottery. Possible, but by no means probable.
BTW, how's Dana shelving Lesnar when Lesnar's next fight is against the #2 HW on the planet (Nog, after Mir gets dispatched)?
from about 1 month ago
He's shelving Lesnar by not allowing this fight to happen for another 7 months
from about 1 month ago
If that's actually the case, then, yes, it is dumb. All this waiting between fights is BS. Every fighter in the UFC should be fighting at least 3-5 fights per year, no less. Hell, in the 'olden' days, UFC fighters could do 3 fights in one night. Too much time between fights is bogus. 7 months is bogus.
from about 1 month ago
Lesnar won't be shelved for 7 months. The unification fight with Lesnar vs. the winner of Nog/Mir will take place no later than May. They are shooting to have that fight headline the March card in Las Vegas, but it all depends on injuries to either Nog/Mir in their fight at UFC 92. If they come out perfectly healthy, they will push to have this fight take place in March or perhaps April.
about 1 month ago
BTW Im also a memebr of Ivan Silveri's gym in downtown seattle. Anyone into the sport thats in the area can look me up there - u should check it out!
about 1 month ago
Wow, I have to disagree with all but maybe one. Hoffman is old and well past his prime, Mir got lucky with a then inexperienced Lesnar and even Mir has said Lesnar is way better than he was then, James Thimpson is an absolute joke who has lost 7 of his last 9 fights including getting KO'd by Kimbo and Butterbean, Vera is the most overrated fighter who is no longer fighting at Heavyweight. Gonzaga might be your only shot here just because of his great standup and submssion ability.
from about 1 month ago
Thompson was totally robbed in that fight with Butterbean- he was clipped and the ref jumped in.
Seriously - anyone that saw that fight would know that BB got freaking amazingly lucky with that premature stoppage.
And also anyone that saw the fight he had with Kimbo would know that Kimbo tapped and then lied about it afterward. CBS was waaaaay corrupt.
Besides, the sport is about match-ups and different people have different strengths depending on who they are fighting. I dont see Brock pushing Thompson around because Thompson is extremely strong and likes to bash.
Just like some people who post here I guess
about 1 month ago
Well at least you appear to have a good attitude, Marco. This article is still one big load of ignorance though. I'm not going to be a tool like Joseph and pretend that you have a clue. Or maybe Joseph just doesn't have a clue either. I'll keep reading in the future... but... just.... never compare Kimbo to Brock. And never support James Thompson. And other ridiculous things. Try watching fights + researching before you write.
from about 1 month ago
Robert, I appreciate your comments...wait no I dont.
Dont ask me to educate myself - I FIGHT I dont just sit there with a beer in one hand and my thoughts in the other.
When you step into the cage yourself then you can rail me but till then your nothing but hot gas emanating from a dark place.
Ive been nice but you are pushing it.
Ill support whoever I like and thats that.
Ive taken alot of blows to the head but not so many that I dont know what Im talking about. Instead of critisizing me you should be taking a lesson.
When you meet up with Thompson in a dark alley somewhere just remember what a wimp he is while hes pounding you into ashes.
Have a clue?
Here is a tip for you - Any man - ANY man over 200lbs that hits you square on the chin can knock you out. Period.
These guys lay it all on the line and you act like you know something.
Btw I appreciate your readership and thats no lie! :P
from about 1 month ago
I don't care if you fight. It doesn't mean you know squat about good fighters. There is no correlation.
from about 1 month ago
Robert...can I call you Bob? heh.
Your right- to a point. I do know what good fighters are like, I would whether I was a participant or not. Its an interest so I educate myself on the subject just like we all do with things we are interested in.
The perspective I might have which is advantageous is knowing what it feels like to get knocked out. Knowing what it feels like to win also.
Knowing that just because you knocked me out on monday doesnt mean you can do it again on teusday.
You seem to have a chip on your shoulder that is too large for this discussion. There is no need to be so damn defensive. If we didnt have different oppinions we would have nothing to talk about and as Ive said before - what fun is that?
Isnt this fun Bob?
I think its fun.
from about 1 month ago
Marco, I wish you all the best of luck in fighting and I commend you for doing what i hope to do when i begin training in march. The thing is, your picking fighters based on size apparently. What you said about Thompson in a dark alley, really means nothing. Any decently trained fighter can beat up an untrained fighter. And saying any 200 pound man can knock oyu ot if he hits you square on the chin is weird as well. Really, anybody, regardless of weight and size, can knock you out if the punch is placed correctly, you of all people should know that.
Obviously youre a big fan of James Thompson, congrats on being brave enough to admit that to the world, but that makes your choice of him to beat Lesnar all the less credible.
from about 1 month ago
Mike- best of luck to you in your pursuit of the sport I think thats great. Im sortof jealous in fact because im closer to the end than the begginning. If only I knew then what i know now I woulda been much better.
My comment regarding the 200lbs was just from personal experience. I have fought at 170, 185, and 205 and there seems to be a big difference in the amount of power a man can generate. I got hit many many times in my 170 fight. It just wasnt the same as when I fought a guy at 205 who came in at 215 and swung breadboxes at me.
The only time I was knocked out - outside of training that is - was at 185 so maybe you have a point- the guy had to have been close to 200 by fight time tho.
In training Ive been knocked out twice - with headgear on no less. Once by Ivan and the other time by Drago when we were platooning him.
My Brother has knocked me out but hes 230 and presses 400+ pounds. He also separated muscles from my sternum in a wrestling match. He was suppossed to be helping me with take down defense and insteadf got my back- put me in a standing annaconda and slammed me to the floor lols. Took 8 weeks for me to heal and I missed the fight I was preparing for.
He has issues ,heh.
Anyway good luck to you - if you dont mind me asking- what state are you in? If you plan on going to Las Vegas I can recommend some good people and a good gym.
Im sure you have your own setup of course- just curious and willing to help :P
about 1 month ago
Lesnar is going to have major issues with BJJ guys and Nog would rip his arm off. That said brawlers, strikers and wrestlers will getting eaten alive by Lesnar, but BJJ guys will always have a chance because he just has not dealt with enough of them
about 1 month ago
What's all this talk of protecting Lesnar? If anything, it's looked as if White has been trying to discredit him. I'm sorry, but can you guys think of a more NON PROTECTIVE route he could have taken? Let's see, give him a BJJ expert in his first round, give him a powerful, durable striker in his second, master tactician in his third, and even if he wins the 3rd, he's knowing he's going against another BJJ expert. If someone can think of a harder route Dana should have taken, please let everyone know.
All you guys complaining that Brock is being protected have just discredited the entire HW division and that's piss poor. In all of his fights, you - the hardcore fans - have predicted he would lose. And then you turn around and say he's being protected.
No, that's not good enough. I know damn well what you're saying and that's this - "I don't like Brock Lesnar because a) he was a pro wrestler and b) he walked to the front of the line"
If you don't like Lesnar, great! You're entitled to that opinion. But coming in here and making dumb excuses instead of coming out and saying how you really feel is disgraceful. People are even going as far as starting to say MMA is rigged.
Saying MMA is rigged and it's champions are being protected are what's bad for MMA - not Brock Lesnar. Shame on ALL of you saying he's being protected, and feel free to go watch other combat sports before you ruin this one with your unsubstantiated rumors.
from about 1 month ago
I appreciate what you are saying about the sport - and I agree that it irritates me that Brock has walked to the front of the line as you put it - but other than Frank who has he fought?
Randy is a serious dude but not really a match for the last 3 guys hes fought- he won on guts and brains and if that can win you 3 out of 4 your doing pretty well.
Heath Herring? cmon man the only thing - and its a big thing granted- that hes good at is getting hit and surviving. Not much of a challenge for Brock. Yes he has experience - experience at getting beat like a Piniatta.
I like Heath - and he would likely beat me pretty good, but im not in his wieght class. Nothing I like better than a guy who likes to get hit - wait thats pretty much how I fight too lols
In any event just because someone doesnt agree with you doesnt mean he/she isnt educated. Dont expect someone to honor your oppinion if you dont honor theirs.
As I said before - qagainst HW champs this guy is 1-1. wow. I dont think ill rush out and buy one of his t-shirts just yet
about 1 month ago
You obviously do not know anything about Brock Lesnar. To put him in the same breathe as Bimbo Slice should discredit your entire article right off the bat. To mention James Thompson's name should get you exicuted. I have a 4 year old nephew who is half retarded and has no arms and i would put money on him to beat James "the joke" THompson. And you have the nerve to say Dana is trying to shelf Lesnar. Brock has fought 3 of the best heavyweights available and will fight NOG later on making it 4. Idk what you want DAna to do. Should he create a fucking fighter who is a robot named "the killer" with blades for fists and have lesnar fight him? HOnestly there is nobody out there that is better then who Brock has fought. This is basicly what you said "Brock Lesnar beat Randy Coture but Dana White is hiding him from the real good fighters like James Thompson" WTF. Should i grab you another halosnigin or will you be ok? James fucking Thompson are you kidding me? James Thompson? go kill yourself lol.
from about 1 month ago
At first I was getting ready to flame you back - but honestly the way you put things in your drunken ramble at the end was just too funny.
2 points for you.
You shouldnt talk so badly about your little nephew tho - thats just not right.
from about 1 month ago
Lol i have to agree with george, some of Marco's statements are just idiotic, to say that hes being protected makes no sense at all. Dana did not back himself into a corner, hes pushing brock down the path hes already on, trial by fire, and if he beats nog you will still discredit his ability. I laughed too when I read James Thompson. Like george said go kill yourself
about 1 month ago
Bobby Hoffman is in jail for beating up his wife, isn't he?
Kongo would fair worse than Herring. Easy fight for Brock.
Gonzaga is a danger, but lacks heart and chin. Even match-up. 50/50
JT is a talented fighter, but he has not recovered long enough between fights, and I think Lesnar would be too fresh, too big, too fast for him.
Mir-Lesnar is a toss-up in the rematch.
Vera would not last 1 round with Brock. Terrible match-up.
People who are huge favorites VS Brock are in order: Fedor, Nog, Barnett.
People who are 50/50 VS Brock at this time: Aleks, Sergei, Mir, Gonaga, Werdum, AA
Everyone else is getting mauled by mantank.
from about 1 month ago
These are intelligent comments Anthony.
That thing about Bobby hardly seems surprising - like I said hes a knucklehead.
Interesting also that you mention Barnett. I didnt think of that.
They will probably have Lesnar fight Mike Kyle before that tho- I dont trust Dana very much and I dont believe for a second that he doesnt have alot to do with the match-ups.
Actually, I shouldnt say bad things about Mike Kyle- I really enjoyed his fight with Bobich and think he was pretty much robbed of the KOC HW belt.
What about Aleksander E.?
about 1 month ago
Marco, again, what other route is there? Would Kongo be more challenging? Of course not, it'd be Herring all over again except this time with a stoppage. Gonzaga? Couture's title defense all over again.
Right now, today's top heavies aren't well rounded enough to stop Lesnar, except Nog who's not well rounded either but he's got great subs and can handle Lesnar's GnP. Talking purely about UFC obviously, everyone else is irrelevant as they won't be fighting him anytime soon.
Werdum? He's good, but he wouldn't have been good enough at any particular thing to stop Lesnar.
The next generation of HWs coming up will be the ones capable of giving him a tough fight. Right now the UFC's HWs are just too one-dimensional to take on someone of his athletic ability.
And no, there's NO WAY I'm going to respect these opinions, it's bullshit. You can't ride all over a bandwagon saying someone is destined to lose their next fight, and then after they win shit all over the credibility to the sport. No way. I'm not talking about you, Marco, I'm talking about some of your commentors. And if they don't like it, too bad. Here's to hoping they leave. I'm tired of reading crap like that, it's more disrespectful to the sport and the fighters than Lesnar could ever be.
Like you, this isn't about Lesnar. This is about two-faced, one-dimensional fans. That's half the reason I like Lesnar, he pisses those fans off, and I hope to God he sends them packing. He brings in more than enough fans of his own to make up the difference, so good riddance.
about 1 month ago
Marco....WTF? Lesnar being protected...I think there is some inbreeding in MMA circles. I heard Matt Hughes say Lesnar was going to win, every other UFC fighter said hands down Couture had the experience and was going to school Lesnar. It looks like fighting experience does not make a good judge of fights. Couture fought a great fight, good takedown defence, great scramble off his back and landed some great shots and all that bought him a first round loss and a KO. Lesnar is very inexperienced and he looked like he did not have a hard time against Couture. He beat Mir for 80 seconds and lost the match in the last 9 seconds. He absolutley dominated Herring. He has knocked every opponent down with every right. Look at the fights 100%, Mir bowled over, Herring looked like tumbleweed, and Couture crimpled. As much as you hate it he is a big tough dude, Coutures rights didn't even phase him. I think if he loses its not going to be due to ability but inexperience. Get over it he made Couture look easy he's legit and this may just be the start for him. He's athletic MMA never had the money to attract big athletic guys before...it does now. If you took NFL line backers and trained them in MMA you'd have a lot of tough athletic guys like Lesnar who have to cut weight for HW fights. These guys could wreak havoc with the current line up in the HW division based on size and athleticism alone. MMA is big bucks and attracting athletes. Couture was Olympic caliber and look at this Legacy....Lesnar could very well be doing the same...and BTW maybe you should try telling Couture, Mir and HErring that they were just Dana's attempt to protect the new guy in the UFC and see what response you get!
Konaboy
from about 1 month ago
Your right when you say that just because someone fights their oppinion is not necessarily better. Im certainly no UFC superstar but I have at least got some perspective on the subject.
Everyone has a chin so everyone can be knocked out. Dont complain about me selling Brock short and then go talk trash about other fighters that have paid their dues - Like the guys in my list.
Mike Tyson ring any bells?
There is no perfect fighter. Noone is above critisism. Not even Fedor.
about 1 month ago
Mir is the only one on the list that has a chance of beating Lesnar, but Mir won't beat Noguiera. Gonzaga might give Lesnar a run for his money, but I doubt that he would win. Before he hit his slump, Brandon Vera would have been a good fight, but I think that he needs to get his confidence back up before he steps into the octagon.
I have to admit, I really didn't expect for Lesnar to win, but now he is the champ and we have to deal with it. Saying that, the matches are going to have to change as opposed to if Randy was still the champ. Because Lesnar is the champ his opponet list is going to be slightly shorter because I think that he would only fight bigger names to bring in a bigger crowd and sacrifice quality for quantity.
about 1 month ago
Marco, you seem like a nice guy.
B/L has probably the fewest combative, argumentative members per ratio than any other free sportswriting site.
But there are handful of trolls who do dwell here. They can be easily thwarted. Simply do not respond to those who are incapable of disagreeing in a civilized manner. A debate is one thing. Personal attacks deserve nothing better than to be ignored.
about 1 month ago
Honestly I guess I am just biased. Ill admit that. I think Anon made a good point when he said it irked peeps that Lesnar got moved to the front of the pack so fast. I probably would pay him more respect if I saw 6 or 7 more fights out of him before he got a title shot. 3-1 is just an embarrassing record for a champion. Wait - isnt that Kimbo's record too?
Now that he IS champ he wont fight very often at all. Ill be surprised if he fights more than 3 times in the next 2 years.
If he loses his belt we will get to see more out of him.
Im just not convinced hes as great as everyone says he is and now I wonder if I ever will be because of his lack of activity.
Gonzaga looked like a terror till Randy broke him down. I didnt see how anyone was going to beat that guy- he has a nearly perfect ground game and then he whip kicked Mirco into the next world.
If I were you I wouldnt be betting my house on this guy.
I know hes a wrestling champ. They have a new one every year. I know hes big and fast. Always someone bigger or faster or stronger or just plain luckier.
Why in the world would someone be so uptight about having this guy subjected to critisism?
Where is the fun in that?
from about 1 month ago
Nothing wrong with being biased, Marco, everyone is. Unfortunately that bias has to be left at the door a lot of the time. Here's a perfect example: you liken Lesnar to Kimbo, because they both have the same number of fights and record. So Brock won the UFC title in only his 4th fight. Randy Couture won the UFC title in only his 4th fight. It's ok having an opinion on Brock Lesnar and disliking the way he's been pushed, but you can't have the rules apply for one and not the other.
The other issue is people seem to be confusing business with sport, and making the mistake of assuming the UFC is a sporting business. It isn't, it's a business, pure and simple. Fighting just happens to be the product they're selling. Chuck Liddell vs Tito Ortiz is the UFC's equivalent of the Quarter Pounder with cheese. It's a product, and the business is selling that product to the customer. You walk in and order a Big Mac, you sit down and order a PPV. It's about money, nothing more. Therefore, as far as the UFC is concerned, Lesnar was pushed as a product, and after selling close to a million PPVs, they made the right choice. Regardless of whether you, I or anyone else can pick holes in what they do, or question how good Lesnar is or isn't, for them it was the best situation to bring the dollars in, and it worked.
People need to stop seeing this as a sport, because it isn't one.
about 1 month ago
At least you got a lot of reads. I mean I completly don't agree with your list outside of Mir and Gonzaga who it will still be tough for both of them. I do like the fact that you didn't just pick the top people at the weight, but unfortunately for anyone to take your list seriously thats what you would have had to do with this guy.
Jay its 100% a sport don't get it twisted because it is aggressively promoted and promoted well. It is just as much a sport as boxing.
from about 1 month ago
Nick. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like you're confusing what I said. I didn't say mixed martial arts isn't a sport. I said the UFC, and specifically the UFC, is a business.
about 1 month ago
Wow. Thats a pretty shockingly sad and possibly extremely accurate portrayal of what the UFC has become.
I would like to think that there is still a sport involved tho.
Im sure Dana wasnt too happy when Matt Serra knocked out GSP. PersonallyI loved it when Matt told em to go eat some humble pie. Leave it to a guy from NY eh?
In any event- they might be selling a product the way you say - maybe we should call it the KFC? heh
In any event thats a very sad result if true. Ive never made more than a couple grand on a fight. Before now you couldnt actually make a living doing this. Heck a decent pair of gloves can cost hundreds of dollars alone.
Now these guys will make big bucks and thats both good and bad. All im saying about this is that going from 0-60 in 1.2 seconds is a dangerous way to drive.
from about 1 month ago
"Now these guys will make big bucks and thats both good and bad."
But which guys? Again, like any other business, the top 1% make the money. The rest are just fighting it out for scraps. Brock Lesnar and Randy Couture made $250,000 each for that fight, before bonuses and PPV revenue. No-one else made over $50,000 except Gonzaga, at $55,000. Ryan Thomas, for example, on the same card, made $3,000. Take Lesnar and Couture out of the equation and that card would have been lucky to sell 300,000 PPVS. The main event put half a million buys onto that figure. The stars make the money, and if you're not a star, you're being bent over and shafted, and expected to say 'Thank you' for the priviledge.
from about 1 month ago
Well Jay you are right again.
I got $250 for my first fight, $1,100 for my last fight about 10 weeks ago. The most I ever got was at a small promotion at ST peters college in NJ when I earned 2k for a victory.
I have never made enuf money fighting to even pay for my gym membership.
I can only hope that some of that big money starts to trickle down so that guys like Mike uop there can get a shot to survive on the money they make. Or at least to pay for thier health insurance- dont forget Dental, heh
about 1 month ago
I dont agree with the way the UFC and Dana White in particular is being portrayed here. I for one am a huge suporter of the man. Kimbo Slice is one of my favorite fighters (even though he has no skill at all) and Dana White refuses to bring him into the UFC dispite the amount of money it would bring. He has said publicly before things like "im not into freakshows" and "only the best fighters in the world fight in the UFC" every so often he goes around cutting dead wieght so that only the best fighters will be in the UFC. And the whole thought about him shelfing his fighters is insane. After Silva "beat" Cote DAna expresed how unhappy he was with that fight and said he wanted Anderson to fight again very soon. Oponents such as Chuck Liddell at 205 where mentioned. If those two men fought then the image of the looser would be shattered so dont tell me DAna shelves his fighters.
about 1 month ago
Is this a serious list? James Thompson? No mention of Fedor? This guy beat Heath Herring and Randy Corture...I think Lesnar could beat Mir at his this point of this career.
The fact that you think highly of Kimbo Slice proves your stupidity and your lack of mma knowledge.
about 1 month ago
Zach - I dont think anyone here but george above likes Kimbo. And Fedor WAS mentioned. As redundant.
It was the first comment made - and made by me.
Lets put this one to bed shall we?
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