I am sick and tired of hearing about how great Oklahoma is. Sure, they are a good team, I will admit that much. However, if you think Oklahoma should jump Texas in the BCS, you're crazy.
Oklahoma (10-1, 6-1) is currently ranked third in the BCS. Texas (11-1, 7-1) is ranked second in the BCS and completed its season Thursday night with a 49-9 victory over rival Texas A&M. However, Oklahoma leap-frogged Texas in both the major polls used in the BCS after last weekend's 65-21 demolition of then No. 2 Texas Tech.
This jump raises another interesting point. All these coaches whine and moan and groan about a playoff system. They say, "We need to decide this on the field."
Well, this matchup has already been decided on the field.
Texas beat then No. 1 Oklahoma on a NEUTRAL site, 45-35. Isn't that deciding this matchup on the field? I mean, the two teams played each other on a neutral field. So how can these coaches vote Oklahoma ahead of Texas when they complain because this isn't being settled on the field?
It doesn't matter how good Oklahoma is playing NOW. Look at USC; they lost way back when and everyone is talking about how good they're playing. How come they aren't jumping ahead on anyone?
Fact of the matter is, if Oklahoma and Texas hadn't already played, I am all for the Sooners jumping ahead of Texas. However, they had their shot against the Horns, who by the way went 3-1 during a run of four straight games against top 10 teams.
I also hear about Oklahoma's strong non-conference schedule. Ok, does this have anything to do with them losing to Texas? No. Besides the two schedules balance each other out and here's why:
While No. 16 Cincinnati (9-2) has had a great year, they play in the Big East Conference. The Big East is by far the weakest major conference. So, we can somewhat discount that win.
Also, yes it is true Oklahoma played TCU, but they didn't play Missouri. Texas did and won convincingly 56-31. The Tigers are the champions of the Big 12 North and were ranked 11th when the game was played.
The only reason Oklahoma jumping Texas is so critical is because if Oklahoma wins today against No. 12 Oklahoma State (9-2, 5-2), there will be a three-way tie for the Big 12 South. This means the team with the highest BCS ranking gets to go to the Big 12 Championship Game.
Another thing, Oklahoma has dominated opponents lately. However, Texas was just as dominant. The Longhorns have had only two games decided by six points or less. To answer the question on your mind, no, one of them was not Oklahoma.
It shouldn’t matter if Oklahoma beats rival Oklahoma St. by 100 points today. Texas beat Oklahoma already. We are after the best overall team in the country here, folks.
We aren't looking for who is the best team in the nation for the last four weeks of the season. Besides, that award would go to Florida not Oklahoma. Florida gets its chance to prove it's better then Alabama on the field in the SEC Championship Game.
The Big 12 South has already been decided on the field. Sorry Oklahoma fans, your team couldn't beat that hated team south of the border. So you should stop crying and whining about how we are the best team NOW.
Face it, "Big Game" Bob Stoops couldn't beat Texas when it mattered. Just because Oklahoma has improved since that Texas loss doesn't mean the Horns haven't been getting better either.
So say all you want the coaches keep complaining nothing gets settled on the field. Well, every coach who votes Oklahoma over Texas is a hypocrite then, because Texas vs. Oklahoma has already been settled on the field.
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about 1 month ago
Clearly, Texas Tech should be ahead of Texas. I mean they beat Texas. Who cares what else happened the rest of the season? If you can use your argument for Texas being ahead of Oklahoma, then Texas Tech should go to the national championship.
The fact of the matter is that your logic is a bunch of garbage. Three one loss teams all beat each other so you cannot simply use head-to-head. It then comes down to strength of schedule and who is playing the best at the end of the season. Beating the #2 team in the country by over 40 points is impressive.
Also, can we please quit calling Dallas, TX neutral? I am an SEC fan but have watched OU get screwed by the refs the past couple of years. The Cotton Bowl is not neutral; it is in Texas. Finally, OU had that game handled until their middle linebacker got injured. That's when Texas made their run. Rigt now, I think OU would beat the pants off of Texas because their defense has readjusted.
from about 1 month ago
But Texas Tech was so humiliated, that it should be clear that Texas only lost because of the tough schedule they had prior. Second, Texas beat Oklahoma soundly while Tech barely beat Texas. Texas should go to the championship.
from about 1 month ago
For one thing, Dallas is neutral. So quit whining.
OU and UT are only being compared this way because their schedules are so similar. TTU has a weak schedule and no place in this argument. Plus, TTU beat UT at home, where it's a lot easier. OU beat UT at home, where it's a lot easier (just ask Stoops and Bradford how they were dominated by TTU last year in Lubbock). UT did not have the luxury of a home game and OU didn't have the real test of a road game. So this goes to UT.
from about 1 month ago
TTU has a weak schedule. So they ren't in that argument. TTU beat UT at home, and OU beat TTU at home. So those games are only partly reliable. UT beat OU on a neutral field, which is 100% reliable. So quit whining. Quit whining about the Cotton Bowl game. Look at the picture; the stadium is split 50-50. And don't pin it on the refs, that's just more whining, Patrick. So of course you can use head-to-head (that's what the SEC does) in a three-way tiebreak; just eliminate the lowest rank (TTU). It's a lot easier for the Raiders to beat UT whilst sitting comfortably at home in Lubbock. OU got handed its butt last year in Lubbock as well - just ask Stoops and Bradford.
from about 1 month ago
Tech's loss came at a later time then Texas' loss, this is why they wont get the nod, im not saying OU's win wasnt impressive, but the two teams that are being debated aer Texas and OU, no one is talking about Tech playing for a championship its all OU and UT so UT beat OU already. Texas had to play TT in Lubbock and lost on a last second TD, OU had them in their own backyard. Texas beat OU already so y should OU be ranked higher then Texas?
about 1 month ago
Very good article. You have a very good sense of logic.
Bob Stoops won at home as well, where no ranked team has during his time there. Oklahoma had a chance to beat UT in Dallas where it was neutral, and they failed. Just because they are hot right now does not mean they are number one.
from about 1 month ago
thank you, im glad someone gets the picture here
about 1 month ago
Are you kidding me? Texas Tech beat Texas. Oklahoma DEMOLISHED Texas Tech. They were picked apart, and they had already beat Texas. Oklahoma redeemed themselves of their loss to the Longhorns. I think that Oklahoma should absolutely be ahead of Texas.
from about 1 month ago
BS, the loss cant be redeemed. Just because TTU beat UT and then OU went and beat TTU at home doesnt change the fact that Texas beat OU by 10 points in Dallas
from about 1 month ago
Then I say they should get a playoff. OU took TTU apart.
from about 1 month ago
i totally agree with finding a different way to decide a champion of a conference division. The BCS should have no bearing on who wins their division. However, this year it is so we have to look at the facts.
from about 1 month ago
The BCS should have never been put in place. We need a playoff.
about 1 month ago
It's not redeeming yourself when you beat TTU on a home field! Stoops and Bradford tried to crush TTU in Lubbock last year; they got crushed instead!
about 1 month ago
This is outrageous that people are trying to do Oklahoma-Texas head to head and say Texas should go based on that. But they lost to Tech who lost to Oklahoma. Remember these polls are all based on what did you do last week? Oh you lost? you go down! Or in other words since that loss Oklahoma was won 5 straight and Texas lost to Tech during that streak. If Texas could have stopped Tech on that drive like they should have then we shouldnt be having this discussion.
Also this SOS stuff is ridiculous. They have played the same opponents besides Missouri but TCU is basically equal with them.
But none of this matter because Oklahoma is going to lose to Ok St and Tech is going to play Missouri.
from about 1 month ago
Thats why i made the point that you can throw out SOS in this argument. It has no place when there is a head to head match-up
about 1 month ago
This is a really tough situation. Even Texas Tech is at the moment having trouble with Baylor at home so even if they do come back to win, having that much trouble with Baylor has to discount Texas Tech.
Now it comes down to Texas and Oklahoma. I agree with Zach that head-to-head has to be used here. But I will take it a step further. Texas's one loss came on a last second heave to the endzone by Harrell that would have harmlessly fell to the ground 9 out of 10 times.
Texas Tech got so lucky on that throw. I'm not taking anything away from them. The pass was caught and Texas Tech won fair and square BUT we all know Texas should have won that game.
So its a no-brainer to me. Texas won head to head by 10 points AND lost on a last second play.
Texas gets my vote to go to the Nat'l Championship and get demolished by Florida.
from about 1 month ago
Well you were wrong......OU went ahead
from about 1 month ago
while all the longhorn fans are up in arms they must realize this is a Big 12 tiebreaker problem and not a BCS problem
about 1 month ago
Texas was losing the entire game to Texas Tech. Baylor looked better at Lubbock today. I also remember a suspect referee call that stopped Texas Tech from putting the game away the drive before Texas scored. So, we do not all know that Texas should have won that game.
Also, all the people that say Texas handled Oklahoma are mistaken. OU was ahead the whole game until the captain of their defense got injured.
from about 1 month ago
come on now guys lets look at the facts and not some "suspect" ref calls
from about 1 month ago
I saw the game Patrick. Colt McCoy was unstopable
from about 1 month ago
You are an idiot! Texas was losing the WHOLE GAME TO TECH AND OKLAHOMA...
Secondly..IT WAS NOT A LAST SECOND HEAVE TO THE ENDZONE..they run that play all the time...they tried it on OU and got shutdown by Franks! Hell, yal might have won it had your stupid cornerback or safety made the tackle..oh wait, no you wouldnt of, tech would've kicked a field goal to win...so shut up!
As far as the OU win, you are right, it was at a neutral field, but Ryan Reynolds got hurt and Colt McCoy flopped how many times for personal fouls, and i believe OU got an interception reversed that really was an interception...let me ask you this...with the way OU is playing now, if the BCS said we are going to have a tie breaker, Texas play OU, would you feel comfortable..heck no you wouldn't! Cuz you know OU is better...if Florida is gonna be challenged or beat they better send OU cuz texas isn't gonna do nothing...who do you have to run the ball..your defense is crappier than OU's..and your quarterback needs some dang ridilin....get over yourselves you suck!
from about 1 month ago
is that all you Oklahoma fans can bring to your argument is "o McCoy flopped, and this SHOULD have been an INT" come on. OU lost that game by 10 points. It wasnt some fluke last minute field goal or controversial touchdown. they won by 10 points. We dont need a rematch of OU and UT because they already played on a neutral site.
about 1 month ago
the sooners shouldnt be ahead of texas, but the longhorns arent very far ahead. I think texas tech is out of the race thou. if only they could screw the big 12 north and just have texas and Oklahoma play again. that would be a much better game anyway.
from about 1 month ago
That would be the game of the year.
from about 1 month ago
Lets start a petition.
from about 1 month ago
Agreed.
Write to your Big 12 university president of choice. Try to avoid profanity, of course. But emphasize that they're shooting themselves in the foot by excluding either Texas or Oklahoma from the conference title game.
If that means ditching the divisions, so be it. The way it's currently structured, it's too easy for teams to make it some years, and too hard in other years. It should be consistent, and a complete conference schedule would ensure that.
(It would also eliminate controversy about scheduling too many soft non-conference opponents)
about 1 month ago
The context of this argument here is BCS rankings. You can't argue that we should discuss this in the context of a three-way tie, because if you are pleading your case for the BCS, that three-way tie isn't involved. Tech is 7, not near Texas or OU "caliber-wise". If you were talking about Big 12 rankings, you could involve them. However, the Big 12 said "forget about us, look at the BCS". So that's what we do, and thus Tech is out of the equation. So it's a Texas-OU argument, not a three-way argument.
about 1 month ago
Dallas, TX. is NOT neutral! Never has been and never will be when it comes to the Red River Rivalry / Shootout.
A truely neutral site would be say, Shreveport, LA.
For those of you complaining about all the talk on the divisional 3 way tie and the final BCS ranking determining who represents the Big 12 South in the Championship game... from what I've been reading, there are clearly far more Texas fans whining about the system and the possibility of being jumped come Sunday.
from about 1 month ago
You have never been to Dallas have you?
from about 1 month ago
Why don't you think it's neutral? I've been to the RRSO and as far as I could tell, both teams were equally represented by the fans.
What makes home games such an advantage is that the home team 1) is used to playing on that field and 2) has a stadium full of fans cheering for them.
Are you arguing that UT is from Texas, Dallas is in Texas, therefore UT gains some advantage from knowing that they are in their home state? That's silly.
from about 1 month ago
Travis is right. Dallas is behind SMU in those cases, they don't care about Austin and Lubbock.
from about 1 month ago
dude look at a map! Dallas is just as far from Austin, which is where the Texas campus is, as it is from Norman, which is where the oklahoma campus is. Just because its in Texas doesnt mean its not neutral.
about 1 month ago
I vote to give it to Mack Brown and Texas because he should retire with a national championship.
about 1 month ago
Texas should stay ahead of OU for the higher spot in the BCS and therefore win the Big 12 South.
It's technically a 3 way tie but in reality it is only a two way tie between Texas and OU. I think we all can agree that Texas Tech will be ranked the lowest of the 3 teams. So that leaves Texas and OU batteling for the final spot. Out of those two teams Texas should win becuase they both will have the same record and Texas beat OU.
about 1 month ago
What an idoit,yes the Sooners are that good,hell do you want them to play USC? do you not understand that they really are da s---? OK I see your on the band wagon of those teams who dont even deserve respect? let me name them for you ok? usc,ohio state,notre dame,are there any more so called teams,who plays a nobody schedule,then sit on their ass while the other conferences play a playoff? Oh yes penn state,sits with them doing nothing but nothing while the real teams have to play? wise up to the stupidity,the afore mentioned teams are nothing till they have to play an extra game. Like the real teams of College Football. use,notredame,pennstate,ohiostate,are crap till they play another game...what chicken loosers
from about 1 month ago
ok they might be "da s---" but tht doesnt change the fact Texas beat OU 45-35 on a neutral field
from about 1 month ago
Haha, how ironic. You misspelled "idiot."
about 1 month ago
i could type a long essay on all the reason why texas should be ahead of oklahoma but all i gotta say is 45-35. done deal
about 1 month ago
BCS is a joke. We might as well just use judges with score cards like they do in gymnastics or figure skating. Texas should go to the BCS over OU because they beat OU.
I guarantee OU Fans would be saying the same thing if circumstances were reversed. The real question is whether the coaches/sportswriters are going to flip Texas ahead of OU again. We will see...
about 1 month ago
well in this article that drives me nuts... "Another thing, Oklahoma has dominated opponents lately. However, Texas was just as dominant. The Longhorns have had only two games decided by six points or less. To answer the question on your mind, no, one of them was not Oklahoma"
OU HAS ONLY HAD ONE GAME AND IT WAS THE LOSS TO TEXAS ON THE POINTS... THEY HAVE BEATIN ALL THE OTHER TEAMS BY 20 OR MORE POINTS...THIS SYSTEM SHOULD GO MARGIN OF VICTORY OF POINTS.. TEXAS BEAT THE NUMBER 1 TEAM BY 10... TEXAS LOSES TO TECH BY 6 ...OU BEATS TECH BY 44... TEXAS AT HOME BEATS OSU BY 4..OU BEATS OSU BY 20 AT OSU...
DONT TELL ME THAT OU SHOULDNT BE IN THE BIG 12 TITLE... STILL PLAYED THE SAME TEAMS TEXAS DID EXCEPT ONE GAME.. AND WON BY 20 OR MORE...
about 1 month ago
"Well, this matchup has already been decided on the field."
- Also something that has been decided on the field - "39-33".
"The Big East is by far the weakest major conference".
You mean that same Big East that sent its champion to the Fiesta bowl to hand the Big 12 champion its ass 48-28 last year?
"Also, yes it is true Oklahoma played TCU, but they didn't play Missouri. Texas did and won convincingly 56-31. The Tigers are the champions of the Big 12 North and were ranked 11th when the game was played."
- True but OU has proven its domination of Mizzou last year very clearly and I'm sure many would agree OU would dismantle Mizzou this year. Besides, Mizzou doesn't look cool anymore after their loss to Kansas and an escape against Baylor.
"It shouldn’t matter if Oklahoma beats rival Oklahoma St. by 100 points today. Texas beat Oklahoma already. We are after the best overall team in the country here, folks."
- You're convenienty forgetting your loss to us. If you think that was a last-second fluke win, see this: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/76970-texas-texas-tech-by-the-numbers
On another note, I think either all games should be played on a neutral field or none. The fact that TX doesn't have to play OU in Norman and vice-versa makes this complicated.
from about 1 month ago
lets clear one thing up im not even a Texas longhorn fan. Second although it is true TTU beat UT 39-33 and it was no fluke. But due to the tiebreaker rule we must look at the BCS. The two closest teams are OU and UT. Tech is too far behind. So we should look at head to head between OU and UT and not a long chain of, "oh they lost to them who got beat by them, etc." Also the Big East is much weaker then last season. WVU and South Florida have majorly underachieved and Rutgers is in tht group of them as well. Cincinnati had no competition in the Big East this season.
from about 1 month ago
You cant say exclude TTU because they are ranked lower in the BCS and then say we shouldn't use the BCS because we should go by head to head. Pick which method to use and Texas loses either way.
If you say head to head then OU should go based on margin of victory since everyone is 2-1. You could also throw OSU in the mix and OU should still be there.
If you go by BCS then OU is the winner still. OU has the #1 SOS in the country. Their schedule is better than Texas and that is why they are ranked higher than Texas even though the lost to them.
about 1 month ago
NO MORE ARGUING...CUZ EVERYONE KNOWS AT 6 30/7 30 ET TOMORROW WE ARE GOING TO TURN ON OUR TV'S AND IT WILL SAY...
#1 ALABAMA
#2 OKLAHOMA
#3 TEXAS
#4 FLORIDA
HAHAHA AND YOU KNOW ITS THE TRUTH...AND WHEN IT IS YOU CAN LOG YOUR LONGHORN ASS BACK ON HERE AND SAY HEY MAN, YOU WERE RIGHT, I WAS WRONG, I ARGUED MY CASE FOR NOTHING, AND YES THIS SYSTEM DOES SUCK, BUT OU WOULD BEAT THE PANTS OFF OF TEXAS IF WE PLAYED RIGHT NOW.
OH AND ALSO...YOU ALL ALSO KNOW THAT SAMMY BOY IS GONNA HAVE THE HEISMAN TROPHY IN HIS HANDS PRETTY SOON...HE KILLED COLT MCCOY IN EVERY POSSIBLE ASPECT OF THE GAME...SO DONT EVEN THINK ABOUT GETTING YOUR HANDS ON IT TEXAS!
from about 1 month ago
As irritiating as your comment is to read because of all the caps, you're kinda right.
OU was already ahead of Texas in both the human polls and lagging behind by 8/1000 of a point in the computer rankings.
Even a 1-point win over OSU should put them over Texas in the computer rankings let alone a 20-point one.
from about 1 month ago
dude i never said that wasnt going to happen. And I am not even a Texas fan. I'm not even a big 12 fan for tht matter. But i was arguing that Oklahoma shouldnt jump Texas. I never said it wasnt going to happen.
about 1 month ago
Sorry bout the all caps,
Yea and texas doesnt really have an arguement because you all beat them...and besides, texas held on to a 4 point win at home vs. osu, we beat them 20 at their place...off subj. tech had me scared today man..
about 1 month ago
Boomer Sooners they deserve to represent the Big 12 South. If all you UT fans would stop and realize your whole head to head logic is a bunch of BS. If that's the case we wouldn't need to argue this because the Red Radiers would be representing the South.
about 1 month ago
Answer to poll: Rematch between Oklahoma and Texas, this time at another neutral site, Arrowhead Stadium. The Big XII North doesn't deserve the spot this year.
(For those of you who'd like to vote on that option, I have a poll in my most recent article.)
Though that makes too much effin' sense for the Big XII presidents to ever consider. Here's a suggestion for them: why not have the BCS rankings pick BOTH participants this year? Or in fact, why have the BCS rankings involved in conference matters at this point at all? Why not use point differential in common games (six: the five Big XII South games and vs. Kansas)?
This was explained by the guys covering today's game, with point differential Oklahoma and Texas are the best two teams in the Big XII South (and thus the Big XII as a whole, this year). So why not do something this easy and impartial?
Oh yeah... it's because the game is about getting the money from an extra game, not about matching the two teams with the best conference records to decide the champion.
about 1 month ago
ou is the team to beat and every body knows it that is why all these texas fans are crying
from about 1 month ago
but how can you say " o it should be Oklahoma and Missouri playing for the Big 12 title" when Texas beat BOTH of those teams by double digits. And the team in question, OU, they beat on a NEUTRAL SITE
about 1 month ago
It seems to me that the majority of OU and Tech plus a lot of the voters are ignoring what the Big XII's 3 way tie breaker actually does. It turns absolute control of determining the champion over to the BCS, which does not recognize three way ties, thus no nullification of wins, no proxy chain wins. This is where OU's or Tech argument loses any validity. The three way tie argument would be valid, if the Big XII retained control, but they do not. With Tech out of the top five, it cannot be considered a contender, so it boils down to UT and OU. Texas should hold the edge here with a direct head-to-head win, instead of a win by proxy. I have never seen the BCS move a team over another team with same record and from the same conference, when the team in front holds the head-to-head victory. To make it even worse, the game which might give OU the boost to move ahead of UT was determined by two teams Texas already beat. Huh! A second BCS occurence never seen before, a BCS trailing team getting a boost from a game which both teams lost to frontrunner!! Let's even take this one step further to really show the sheer lunacy of what is going on. Say OU gets the boost and goes to the Big XII Championship, the game will then be played by OU and Missouri, once again two teams that Texas has already beaten!!
Doesn't this seem just a tad bit ridiculous!!
Oklahoma's main argument that they should be ahead of Texas is their win over Tech and Tech beat Texas.
The fact is the BCS is between UT and OU. Which should carry more weight, a direct head-to-head matchup on a neutral field, or a win by proxy? Also is it really fair to boost a team ahead of Texas based on a game which features two teams Texas has beaten?
Even if you support a different team or even hate Texas, doesn't the above scenario scare you. It could be your favorite squad next.
from about 1 month ago
the big 12 needs to come up with a better 3-way tiebreaker. They should use the one the SEC has now.
from about 1 month ago
Yes, the Horns beat OU in October and do own the head to head. The Horns do own victories over both teams in the Bedlam game last night and the North challenger next weekend . Should that help them retain their position in the BCS over OU and go to the championship game? Maybe/Maybe not!!
The BCS is all about.. "what have you done for me lately!!" With that in mind...what have the teams in question done lately? We all know the answer to that. OU finishes with victories over ranked teams and the Horns finish with wins over KU and the Aggies. Ah! The good old Aggies. Texas defeats them handly but just like in 06... they have found a way the screw the Horns. AGAIN!! Not by putting up a good fight and winning but by being really, really, bad!! Just like good wins against good teams can move you up. Good wins against bad teams can leave you static or worse.... drop a few percentiles right of the decimal. (I understand that those games are on the schedule..what do you do?)So it's up to the Coaches, computers, and God Knows who else to decide who is the champion of the south. I don't belive in the current process for this particular situation but it is what what we have for now and no matter what the outcome may be...any one of the three teams tied would be good reps for the south.
One more observation..OU-Nebraska played in the 2006 Big 12 Championship game. Both were beaten by UT in the regular season.
about 1 month ago
I detect a slight note of bias in your story.
1. If you are going to bring the head to head match up between Texas and Okalhoma into the equation, you also need to bring Texas Tech's victory over Texas and OU's domination of Tech. You can't have one with out the other.
2. If you add up all the margins of victory throughout the year for all three schools, you find that OU's totals 138, Texas is at 100 and Tech is at 65.
3. Of those three schools, Tech played 3 ranked opponents and are 2-1 against them. Texas played 4 and are 3-1 and OU played 5 and are 4-1.
4. Texas doesn't have a single quality win on the road and neither does Texas Tech. Only Oklahoma possesses a quality road win against a ranked opponent.
The Texas fans might as well get ready.....the inevitable is going to happen today whether you like it or not. Oklahoma will jump Texas in the BCS today.
from about 1 month ago
there's no bias here. I am not even a Texas fan or even a Big 12 fan. But TTU has no place in this equation because the tiebreaker goes to the BCS. The two closest teams are UT and OU. Tech lost too late in the year and fell to far in the BCS to be in the discussion. So the two teams we are debating about are OU and UT. UT beat OU by 10 on a neutral site. Point totals have no place in this equation either. While Texas may not have a road win, i'd say a victory over the #1 team in the country on a NEUTRAL SITE is a bigger quality win than beating OSU in Stillwater especially when tht #1 team was Oklahoma.
about 1 month ago
You can't say all this crap about OU and how everyone is whinning for them to be ahead of Texas. You can't look at head-to-head games because shit the three top teams all beat eachother. So that would be a tie, and now you look at BCS, Schedule ranking and the overall season of all teams. Pretty sure OU killed all their opponents besides the UT game. UT lost to Tech at Tech and OU just murdered them. So the slight nudge should go to OU for that reason. Agreed from a previous comment, once OU's linebacker got hurt, UT ran it all over. Now that he is better we would come back and destroy UT. Hands Down! Dallas isn't neutral, we are still in Texas. Edge goes to UT. Nothing neutral about it.
from about 1 month ago
Dallas is absolutely neutral. I've gone to the game before. Sure, yeah, the city's in Texas, but the neutrality we're talking about is the playing field. Both teams are equally represented, fan-wise. It's simply ignorant to think otherwise.
from about 1 month ago
WRONG! You can look at head to head because although Tech is tied with OU and UT they are not ranked high enough in the bcs to be in the discussion. This is the tiebreaker the Big 12 has chosen so we have no choice but to deal with it. So since OU and UT are clearly the only two remaining in the discussion we look at the head to head. UT beat OU on a NEUTRAL SITE by 10. Take a look at a map pal, although Dallas is still in Texas it is just as far from Austin as it is from Norman. It's right in the middle of the two so it is a neutral site. Next time look at a map before you decide a place is neutral or not.
about 1 month ago
BOOMER SOONER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
about 1 month ago
BOOMER SOONER!!
about 1 month ago
Here is something to add to your tiredness..........BOOOMER SOONER!!!
from about 1 month ago
i actually find it funny how you support the team but you have no argument for why they should be picked over Texas. At least all the others brought an argument to the table.
about 1 month ago
The author of this story brings up the same ludacris points the rest of this nation of whiners is bringing up. There is no head to head in a three way tie. Get that through your fat (insert jim rome "fat" yell here) heads already. No matter how many points my sooners won by against tech two weekends ago or lost to against UT (which, by the way we where winning most of the game) there is a three way tie and the rules state that the highest ranked team in the BCS wins this tie. There is no head to head.
Just because we SPANKED the number TWO team in the country (whom texas lost to) at home does that mean WE should be punished??
What about last night? None of the other two teams in this THREE WAY TIE have won against a highly ranked team on the road and, in fact, UT struggled to escape with a win at home against an Oklahoma St team that we just beat by twenty ON THE RAOD. Despite playing hapless chattanooga (because the actual I-A school we were going to play backed out at the last minute) and winless, crappy washington our non-conference SOS blows UT's, and certainly Tech's out of the water. We have beat the same teams that Tech and UT have save for a struggling missouri team that was just de-pantsed by an average Kansas team on a neuteral field on Saturday. The ONLY good team mizzou has beaten all year? Illinois. Are they (the fightin illini) even ranked right now??
With all that said, I don't understand how you DON'T take OU in a THREE, yes I said THREE way tie.
from about 1 month ago
Whoa whoa wait a minute here, you say it doesnt matter how many points Tech lost to OU by and that it doesnt matter how many points UT lost to Tech by, but yet you say it matters how many points Oklahoma st. lost to both of them by? Contradictory statement. Also it is true it's a three way tie. However, the tiebreaker states we go to the BCS rankings. So look at em, Tech is nowhere near UT or OU in the standings. So its a two team race between OU and UT. So we can look at that head to head matchup between the two. This is now a BCS and polls argument. UT beat OU on a truly neutral site by 10 points.
about 1 month ago
People let me clear one thing up here. Dallas IS a NEUTRAL site. If you look at a map you will see that Norman is just as close to Dallas as Austin is. So all this BS about Dallas not being neutral is garbage.
about 1 month ago
The Cotton Bowl is not I repeat not a Nuetral site as much as some of you want to think. The officials were from Texas. This was obvious by calls that gave Texas first downs on two different drive that were not valid calls. Even the announcers agreed that the calls were invalid and both of he calls resulted in scores for Texas which ultimately changed the outcome of the game. It's one thing to get beat but to get beat by the refs is another. OU has been ripped off in the past by refs who admitted after the fact they blew the call. OU is the better team right now anyway. And the whole thing is about improvement as the season progresses. OU has definetly improved more that Texas. Just look at the scores in their last four games 60+ points. They beat Texas Tech in a blowout right after Tech beat the Longhorns. Now that we have a three way tie and have to decide the South winner with a subjective polls and computer polls that can be manipulated to spit out whatever the programmer wants it to. The whole thing is stupid. If the NCAA can recognize a basketball champion and have a bracketed system then why don't they do the same for football. It's all about money and the BCS is paying off somebody. Texas and OU are both great teams that both deserve to play in the national championship but one of them is going to be left out. I will close with this Florida or Alabama neither one would be rated as high as they are if they were in the Big 12 Conference. They get alot of attention in the SEC because bias media. How in the heck is Florida rated so high they were beaten by an unranked Ole Miss team in their own stadium. And will probably play for a national title if they beat Alabama. Why are they ranked so high they haven't played anybody. OU's strength of schedule was one of the hardest in the NCAA and definetly harder than the one Texas played. They beat TCU and Cincinati who both won their conferences. Facts are facts people lets stick to that and leave the emotions out of it which is what is going on. Without a playoff system you can't have a definitive national champion in NCAA football.
from about 1 month ago
"How in the heck is Florida rated so high they were beaten by an unranked Ole Miss team in their own stadium."
Exactly. If you read this guy's story up there he says Florida is somehow better then us because they can't win at home against an un-ranked opponent.
from about 1 month ago
ok first off it is neutral. It isnt Austin and its not Norman either and its the same distance from both schools. Its neutral. Second if all you're gonna use is ref calls to explain UT beating OU then you obviously have no clue what you are talking about. One more tid bit, TCU didnt win their conference, Utah won the Mountain West Conference by going 12-0. If you say facts are facts then you are overlooking that fact that UT won 45-35
about 1 month ago
I brought up the margin of victory thing because other people are saying that because OU actually did what they where supposed to, which was win big at home against the number two team in the country (at the time) that somehow this three-way tie doesn't matter? That makes no sense to me at all.
Yes, UT did beat us on in Dallas. Every Sooner fan knows this. But they did lose on the road against a south division rival whom we beat late in the season. I'm bringing up the score, my friend, because all these bong horn homers on ESPN feel like they need to do everything they can to lobby their team into the big 12 south and further more I brought up the points differential WITHIN the three way tie. No matter what the scores where, all three teams are tied. Get that through your head. Tied, tied, tied, tied, tied. When it comes to a TIE, all three teams should deserve a fair look at their resumes, and not their current bowl cheating series rankings (and it is a cheating system...the ACC and BIG East do NOT deserve to send representatives to BCS Bowls over a undefeated Boise State.)
So look at what each team has done to the rest of their opponents, road games, non-conference games, SOS, neuteral fields, margin of victory and I don't by this whole argument that people are saying Texas clearly deserves to go.
Keep in mind that if we hadn't beaten little brother last night that Texas wouldn't even be having this argument. Texas NEEDED us to win out just so they could lobby because they lost to a ranked team on the road, even if it was a "last second" victory.
If Texas needs us to beat Tech to force a tie in the big 12 south to represent the south in the big 12 title game against hapless misery...err missouri...then how are they the clear winner?
Lets take a little look at resume:
OU lost to UT on a neutral site. Keep in mind we lost this game without turning the ball over and with key injuries to key players early in the season. Not only that, our running game has progressed immensely since this game.
Texas lost to Tech in lubbock. It was the greatest game in the history of the season at this point in time. Despite turning the ball over multiple times, Colt McCoy did bring his team back into the lead with around a minute left...but the Longhorn defense had no awnsers for the Harrell to Crabtree/tech wide receivers and Tech pulled off the upset.
Texas Tech is demolished by us in Norman: Bob Stoops is 60-2 in Norman. The sooners where itching for revenge after Bradford was knocked out of last year's game with a concussion. For the third time this season the "big 3" of the big 12 drops it's one loss away from home. The sooners ran and passed all over Tech.
So now that there is this three way tie, bowl cheating rankings aside, you have to look at resumes and OU clearly has the better resume, including a win over a ranked team on the road in a rivalry game to boot (which texas and tech do not have).
All OU did was lose earlier in the season then the other two, fix it's personnel issues despite injuries at several key positions, get it's running game going, make key stops/turnovers on defense, win a ranked game on the road against a ranked team in a hostile (rivalry) environment and hand Texas Tech the most lopsided loss ever suffered by a number two team and your saying we don't deserve to go.
There is no two-way tie. It's a three way tie and in this crap system it comes down to resumes and I think ours it better. Boomer.
about 1 month ago
Ok ok ok, some LONGHORN fan explain to me why they only beat Oklahoma State by 4 points in Austin Texas, and Oklahoma beat Oklahoma State by 20 in Stillwater???? Then I'll sympathize with the Longhorns lol
about 1 month ago
Zach what game did you watch I saw officials blatainly give Texas first downs on call that were obviously not fouls and the calls changed the outcome of the game. Yes, the fan base is neutral however the officials are not. OU has been screwed by officials in Texas both at the Cotton Bowl and Lubbuck. I commend you for being such an avid fan but you are letting your emotions cloud your judgement. OU is without question the better team right now and that is what the whole thing is suppose to be about. Take Florida for example they are ranked high and they suffered a loss to Ole Miss early in the season and Ole Miss wasn't even ranked and it was in their stadium. Why are they ranked well they have improved since then. Texas may go play for the Big Twelve championship but OU really deserves to go.